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   Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 08:33:50 JST Chris ABRAHAM

   "Free speech doesn’t protect you from consequences,” right? That sword cuts both ways—it’s tested on easy-to-hate groups first, then used on whoever the government targets next.
   https://www.npr.org/2025/04/08/nx-s1-5354934/supreme-court-backs-trump-administration-in-controversial-deportations-case

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 08:33:49 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris It protects you from consequences from the government... thats the whole point. If those consequences are you being deported or other legal consequences then it isnt free speech (outside of calls to action of course, but thats another matter),

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 09:05:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris Huh, none of these people had any connection with combatants. What are you talking about, every single one of them has expressed support for a **country** one of our allies is at war with, or even if you argue us being at war with. Stated our enemy is right, without having any actual connection with them in no way makes someone an enemy combatant.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 09:05:08 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo they are not being ejected for their free speech, actually, they're literally being ejected for being enemy combatants and allies of America's enemies. So, the free speech thing is a red herring. It's basically like ejecting commies but in this case they're the caught in a GWOT snare--and it's easier because they can use military grade rendition (the practice of sending a foreign criminal or terrorist suspect to be imprisoned in a country with less rigorous regulations)

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 10:24:39 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris Sure absolutely, if someone says something that leads to someone looking closely and finding legit illegal stuff, yea, that illegal stuff may get you deported, it has nothing to do with the speech in that case.

     But that is, of course, not what we are talking about with the current administration explicitly stating they will deport people simply for protesting in pro-palestinian movements. A very clear violation of freedom of speech

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 10:24:41 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo
     In short: Speech is protected, but immigration status adds complications. The government cannot lawfully deport someone only for voicing support for a cause—however controversial—but if that speech crosses legal boundaries or attracts scrutiny that reveals other grounds for removal, then “actions have consequences” becomes a practical reality.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 10:58:30 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris Pretty weak counterargument :)

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 10:58:32 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo
     Inshallah.