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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:02:59 JST feld
   Here's the raw truth people: if manufacturing is coming back to the USA it's not going to employ many humans. Americans do not want to do factory work. It is considered dehumanizing.
   
   When the billionaires bring back manufacturing it will be as automated as possible. So put your dollary-doos into robotics stocks, because that's where the real money is going to flow.
   
   We'll build it in America. But still with Chinese robots.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:05:14 JST feld

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     Who Wants To Work In A Factory?
     
     https://arenamag.com/2025/02/11/who-wants-to-work-in-a-factory/
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:06:25 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @feld Next up you'll be saying infinite growth is nothing but a pipe dream. :blobfoxgooglytrash:
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:08:36 JST lainy

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     @feld I saw people saying that some other shoe company is manufacturing in the US so the others have 'no excuse', but I can guarantee that the production process will be very different. Americans are just too expensive because they have tons of other options besides 'sit in factory hand-sewing shoes for 10 hours a day'. Those american factories are much more automated and need a lot less workers (which is good! more productivity per worker = more pay!).
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:16:08 JST dilbert 1

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     @lain @feld personally I am in favor of less dependence on foreign labor and doing it automated domestically but you're right that it probably just can't be done at the same scale. I think also though the argument is valid that they're not selling close to margins and they could be paying workers a lot more to work domestically and it would still be a small fraction of the sale cost. It's not wrong to want to make the most profit but it puts into perspective that they basically just want a bigger boat at the end of the year, it's not a danger to their business.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:18:04 JST feld

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     • dilbert 1
     @sun @lain like I've said before, even if you have a ton of manufacturing issues and waste as a result it's still probably cheaper than paying humans and covering their healthcare etc.
     
     You pay for the robot once, then some electricity. And it can work 24/7.
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:19:17 JST dilbert 1

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     @feld @lain ithere is also just like, what kind of future do you want to live in, do you want people sewing shoes to pay for food in the year 3000?
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:21:27 JST lainy

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     • dilbert 1
     @sun @feld manufacturing never stopped in the US, it just became a lot more efficient.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:22:55 JST feld

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     • dilbert 1
     @lain @sun well, what we actually manufacture did change. But it is a fair point.
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:23:11 JST dilbert 1

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     • lainy
     @lain @feld I am a big fan of the trusted foundry program that was started and then stalled in the 1990s, basically we should have domestic chip fabs even if they're overpriced.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:25:40 JST lainy

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     @sun @feld are there no chip fabs in the US? I know AMD built at least one in germany and intel was about to build one too
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:26:19 JST dilbert 1

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     @lain @feld if there were, we wouldn't have people freaking out about our F-35 microchips being made in china.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:43:31 JST feld

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     • dilbert 1
     @lain @sun well Apple is buidling A-series chips in TSMC Arizona now
     
     Global Foundry has the Fab8 in NY which has made some Ryzen and Threadripper stuff
     
     > Just today, AMD Italy confirmed to us that currently all Ryzen CPUs on the market are produced at the FAB 8 of GlobalFoundries. [March 9 2017]
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:44:37 JST lainy

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     @feld @sun asked grok for research, doesn't seem too bad
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Apr-2025 04:45:22 JST dilbert 1

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     @lain @feld that's great then, I don't understand the anguish about component counterfeiting then.