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   scriptjunkie (sj@social.scriptjunkie.us)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2025 05:56:49 JST scriptjunkie

   this is one of the most fascinating set of graphs I've seen
   https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2016/11/06/us-life-expectancy-is-below-naive-expectations-mostly-because-it-economically-outperforms/

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     scriptjunkie (sj@social.scriptjunkie.us)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2025 07:48:57 JST scriptjunkie

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     • Cybarbie

     @nf3xn not sure why you're commenting on it if you didn't even take the time to understand what it's saying

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     Cybarbie (nf3xn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2025 07:48:58 JST Cybarbie

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     @sj I didn't get into it because tldr; and their data is chronically out of date -article is nearly 10yo and some of it dubiously sourced. Their analysis often does not follow. My hunch is that higher US healthcare costs are largely down to Big Pharma and Health Insurance rorting the living fuck out of US but that life expectancy has more to do with lifestyle/diet than that. Also there is no guarantee that NHS outcomes would improve with the same per capita spend as USA. NHS outcomes are... /1

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     Cybarbie (nf3xn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2025 07:48:58 JST Cybarbie

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     @sj ...largely down to the absolute heroism of NHS staff, selfless dedication working under chronically inept leadership at times for much lower salaries than they deserve, for longer hours than is safe. UK is still has people willing to sacrifice for the public good, socially-minded. Or suckers and losers as MAGA would probably call them. It is an outlier itself. The French system is much better managed for example.

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     Cybarbie (nf3xn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2025 09:29:58 JST Cybarbie

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     @sj Oh no I did take some time and I got far enough to see that it was grossly out of date and a shockingly poor analysis. Understanding this melange of nonsense is an exercise in futility. Disappointed I couldn't find the graph that was screenshotted because so long and tortuous. I was really only interested in what you found interesting tbh. I offered my own opinion being somewhat NHS adjacent... What did you find interesting? Perhaps I missed some pearl.

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     scriptjunkie (sj@social.scriptjunkie.us)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Apr-2025 09:29:58 JST scriptjunkie

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     @nf3xn what specifically do you dispute? Do you not think the US has a high standard of living compared to other factors? The correlations between behavior like smoking and mortality? Obesity? Obesity and wealth? Population group outcomes? "Out of date" is a weird thing to complain about when some of the most critical data are trends over half a century. Do you think say this one dramatically changed so much in the past 10 years to invalidate the trend? On what basis? Pull up the current numbers for what you think is different.