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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Mar-2025 16:01:29 JST 翠星石
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@KaiserKitty @navi What are you even on about?

It would be incredibly difficult to unGPLv2-only the kernel, Linux.

The proprietary masters want to eliminate software freedom badly and therefore want to eliminate GNU.

Although they aren't happy that Linux is GPLv2-only, they are quite placated how Linux is proprietary software and infringes its own license.

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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 13:07:23 JST 翠星石
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  @sendpaws @KaiserKitty @navi So far Fuchsia is a joke, as there's no GNU, let alone a kernel as functional as Linux.
  
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  @Suiseiseki @KaiserKitty @navi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia_(operating_system)
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    Fuchsia (operating system)
    
    Fuchsia is an open-source capability-based operating system developed by Google. In contrast to Google's Linux-based operating systems such as ChromeOS and Android, Fuchsia is based on a custom kernel named Zircon. It publicly debuted as a self-hosted git repository in August 2016 without any official corporate announcement. After years of development, its official product launch was in 2021 on the first-generation Google Nest Hub, replacing its original Linux-based Cast OS. Etymology Fuchsia is named for the color fuchsia, which is a combination of pink and purple. The name is a reference to two operating systems projects within Apple which influenced team members of the Fuchsia project: Taligent (codenamed "Pink") and iOS (codenamed "Purple"). The color-based naming scheme derives from the colors of index cards which Apple employees used to organize their ideas. The name of the color fuchsia is derived from the Fuchsia plant genus, which is derived from the name of botanist Leonhart Fuchs. History In August 2016, media outlets reported on a mysterious...
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 13:19:31 JST 翠星石
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  @lispi314 @KaiserKitty @sendpaws @navi GNU should continue destroying Fuchsia, no matter how hard google tries to get it to take people's freedom.
  
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  LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 13:19:32 JST LisPi
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  @Suiseiseki @navi @sendpaws @KaiserKitty There's no need for POSIX obsession to make a system interesting or useful.
  
  Fuchsia has a lot of problems, but they're entirely orthogonal to UNIX & POSIX.
  
  Or do you mean that GNU should make a new set of tools for Fuchsia, hopefully with no POSIX/UNIX mental pollution?
  
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 13:20:59 JST 翠星石
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  @lispi314 @KaiserKitty @navi @sendpaws Also, GNU is not POSIX.
  
  GNU treats the good ideas of POSIX as a recommendation and implements them and ignores the bad ideas.
  
  Functionality from GNU goes into POSIX, not the other way round.
  
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 13:27:20 JST 翠星石
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  @lispi314 @KaiserKitty @sendpaws @navi There is nothing problematic about designing an OS based on a modular design.
  
  The technical drawbacks of old Unix was unreliability (many bugs and crashes), arbitrary limitations on input sizes and bad performance, which GNU does not suffer from.
  
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  LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 13:27:22 JST LisPi
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  @navi @sendpaws @Suiseiseki @KaiserKitty GNU is not UNIX (nor POSIX), but it is problematically UNIX-influenced.
  
  Fuchsia meanwhile is a corposcum user-abusing project that not only spoils its own potential but inexplicably sabotages its own foundations with incomprehensible technical choices.
  
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  @sendpaws You are comparing a kernel to complete OS's.
  
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  @lispi314 @KaiserKitty @Suiseiseki @navi the point here is that corposhits would replace the Linux kernel if they could get away with it and it wasn't more mature.
  I mean look at minix and the Intel me, or bsd and apple/sony
  
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 14:32:18 JST 翠星石
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  @sendpaws @KaiserKitty @navi @lispi314 That was a port of Linux to be a Mach module, but that was only the kernel part - the rest of the OS appears to have also used parts of BSDs and I figure some GNU packages as well (which of course wikipedia would not mention).
  
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  Pawslut420 (sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 14:32:19 JST Pawslut420
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  @lispi314 @KaiserKitty @Suiseiseki @navi the only two mach oses used bsd: NeXTSTEP/Darwin and OSF/1/Digital UNIX/Tru64.
  There were also weird Linux and Unix ports like this, including mklinux.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MkLinux
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    MkLinux (for Microkernel Linux) is an open-source software computer operating system begun by the Open Software Foundation Research Institute and Apple Computer in February 1996, to port Linux to the PowerPC platform, and Macintosh computers. The name refers to the Linux kernel being adapted to run as a server hosted on the Mach microkernel, version 3.0. History MkLinux started as a project sponsored by Apple Computer and OSF Research Institute, to get "Linux on Mach" ported to the Macintosh computer and for Apple to explore alternative kernel technologies on the Mac platform. At the time, there was no officially sponsored PowerPC port of Linux, and none specifically for Macintosh hardware. The OSF Institute, owner of the Mach microkernel and several other Unix-based technologies, was interested in promoting Mach on other platforms. Unlike the design of the later macOS versions 10 and newer (not to be confused with the contemporaneous Mac OS versions 9 and older), MkLinux was designed to take full advantage of the Mach microkernel. The effort was spearheaded by Apple's VP of Development Tools Ike Nassi and Brett Halle...
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  LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 28-Mar-2025 14:32:20 JST LisPi
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  @sendpaws @navi @Suiseiseki @KaiserKitty GNU Hurd could potentially be used to make something reasonable, though it'd need a lot of work and some of its design (which is noted by the project members themselves) is non-ideal.
  
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