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   Jan Vlug (janvlug@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2025 10:14:23 JST Jan Vlug

   "Your #privacy is our priority. With that message has #WhatsApp last week sent all its users a message" (translated from Dutch from an article in De Telegraaf, a large newspaper in the Netherlands)

   There is too much gossip about WhatsApp according topman Will Cathcart.

   "#Signal is very cool: the number of new subscriptions in the Netherlands is this year 25 times as high as before"

   https://archive.is/a5upc

   WhatsApp is closed source. Do you trust #Meta? Signal is #opensource.

   #SignalApp

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2025 10:14:21 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Pirate Praveen
     why even get any server in the loop, when messages can be delivered directly between interested parties, as with GNU Jami?
     
     CC: @janvlug@mastodon.social
     
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     Pirate Praveen (praveen@social.masto.host)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Mar-2025 10:14:23 JST Pirate Praveen

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     @janvlug #Signal is better than #WhatsApp, but still centralized. The entire world depending on a Single organization is not very sustainable. We have Quicksy and Prav both giving the same convenience of Signal without lock-in. #Quicksy and #Prav users can talk to each other and to any other #XMPP app.

     To actually practice the freedom to improve a software, we should be able to self host the server part (not necessarily each person has to self host, but that option can offer real choice).

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2025 02:13:40 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Pirate Praveen
     message gets delivered when sender and receiver can contact each other. that's the only way to go without involving intermediaries.
     
     (in groups, any peer that receives a message can pass it on to others later)
     
     the need for others to share the same platform is somewhat artificial: we'd be better off with protocols that multiple different programs and platforms could use to exchange messages. but the centralizing 'app' mentality pushes us the wrong way. Email, XMPP and the Fediverse, for some examples, have different servers and different clients, and they all interoperate to some degree. now, maybe you consider the protocol as the platform.
     
     anyhow, GNU Jami would likely benefit from different applications, including TUI and CLI. GUIs are often inconvenient and constraining.
     
     we don't need server, so we can't need server integration.
     
     phone book? what phone?!? who needs anachronic phone numbers when we can have mnemonic nicknames (backed by crypto-strong hashes) that are not traceable to a tracking device?
     
     CC: @janvlug@mastodon.social
     
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     Pirate Praveen (praveen@social.masto.host)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2025 02:13:41 JST Pirate Praveen

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo @janvlug we have to still solve the reliability issue somehow, and also mass adoption.

     How does Jami handle messages if the receipient is not online? This likely involves processing more data by peers.

     Like I keep repeating, choice of a messaging platform is not just a personal unlike GNU/Linux or Libre Office, we need our contacts using the same platform as well.

     So to provide the same usability, we need server and phone book integration.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2025 03:45:35 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Pirate Praveen
     who's this mythical person who wants phone number integration though?
     
     I don't know of any person who as much as cares about that, it's just a requirement imposed by the (snooping) platform providers as far as I'm concerned, and one that excludes (as in phase out) other computing platforms to force the cattle towards the slaughterhouse
     
     the challenge of interoperation that we're up against walled gardens full of prisoners, not that we don't use phone numbers that enable user tracking
     
     apps that work on phones, but not exclusively on phones, are certainly part of the solution. but they need no integration whatsoever with phone numbers. phones are mobile computers with tracking devices on them. we need to focus on the mobile computers part, and reject the user-tracking aspects with as much strength as possible
     
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     Pirate Praveen (praveen@social.masto.host)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2025 03:45:36 JST Pirate Praveen

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo @janvlug I think this approach of a single solution will work for everyone does not help in mass adoption. And unlike GNU/Linux mass adoption is crucial for a messaging platform. If we blindly try the same strategy we use for GNU/Linux, without understanding the network effects and forced usage, we are not going to succeed. The challenges have changed and we can survive only if we adapt. I'm not saying we must use phone numbers, we should interopetate with people who want that.