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   Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 08:53:08 JST Brodie Robertson

   Mailing lists are in kind of a death spiral, projects like Linux will likely use them into the foreseeable future but as other projects move away from them it becomes harder to on board people, leading to more projects doing away with them, leading to on boarding being harder.

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 08:54:37 JST Brodie Robertson

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     When every project had a mailing list it was a reasonable expectation that you know how they work, you understand mailing list etiquette (like how it's expected you understand Github today) but if there's only a handful that use them it's much less reasonable to assume that

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 08:59:21 JST Brodie Robertson

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     If you're as important as the Linux kernel people will jump through a bunch of hoops to learn your processes but if you're just some random FOSS project that's getting less likely to happen. Simply just compare any projects mailing list archives from last month and 10 years ago.

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:01:56 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • Maxi 12x 💉

     @frumble The archives are simply just an archive of the emails so that sort of had to happen. I get the annoyance but there are email redirection services you could use if that's super important.

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     Maxi 12x 💉 (frumble@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:01:58 JST Maxi 12x 💉

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     @BrodieOnLinux Slightly off-topic but I’m so mad at the LKML for leaking my private mail address in plaintext to web archives for the spammers. Had expected more circumspection.

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:09:57 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • Maxi 12x 💉

     @frumble I guess the main ones could and probably should do that but there would always be another one that doesn't

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     Maxi 12x 💉 (frumble@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:09:59 JST Maxi 12x 💉

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     @BrodieOnLinux I know know but it’s already too late. I expected the archive to abbreviate the addresses. And I read some introduction info for the ML but nothing warned me about them feeding my mail address to the spammers -.-

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     Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora: (conan_kudo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:31:43 JST Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

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     • Maxi 12x 💉

     @frumble @BrodieOnLinux Most mailing list systems do this, just Linux's never did. And the lore archiver doesn't either. Fedora's mailing lists flat out don't show email addresses anymore for this reason.

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:31:43 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

     @Conan_Kudo @frumble Speaking of Fedora's mailing list, I think part of the issue with most archives is they're a completely indecipherable mess. Fedora's more forum like interface with HyperKitty isn't perfect but it's so much easier to navigate than the standard plain text wall of the normal LKML archives.

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     Maxi 12x 💉 (frumble@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 09:31:45 JST Maxi 12x 💉

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     @BrodieOnLinux To rebind with your thread: It’s obscure tech and has its deceits.

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     CubeOfCheese (cubeofcheese@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 11:53:56 JST CubeOfCheese

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     @BrodieOnLinux every time I hear about making lists (usually in the context of Linux or web standards) I think "hmm i wonder what that is. Probably some weird kind of communication. I wonder how that works"

     I'm pretty sure it's based on email which I've just never really understood, so I hope I never need to participate in a mailing list