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   24) heavily invest in extra redundant undersea internet cables to japan, china, eu, uk, greenland and ideally other places too so that when trump inevitably discovers the peering points between us, that his turning off our access to them doesn't cut the whole nation from the internet. https://he.net/3d-map/
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     25) instead of giving senior US government & military officials a free pass on crimes against hunanity, including torture/genocide...actually follow what canadian law says we have to do to them: arrest them and extradite them to the ICJ.
     
     This means, among others, people like Dick Cheney, Erik Prince, John Yoo, Dr. James E. Mitchell, George Bush, Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Donald Trump
     
     Americans have gotten away with literal mass murder, and enabling and actively encouraging genocide in places like gaza for years. This is actually illegal in canada, and we should actually serve them with notice that if people who were involved step on canadian soil, they will be arrested and extradited *no matter if they are US citizens or not*.
     
     Post your suggested americans who have committed warcrimes/was culpable for their torture programs/genocide below
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     26)
     
     edited from fb:
     
     The canadian government's official stance, as of the Martin liberal government in 2005, was that Canada "partners with countries that torture" (as covered by newsreal 184[1]).
     
     This list was updated a few years later[2] explicitly to include the united states [And surprise surprise now head of the PPC maxime bernier complained about this] who by that point was undeniably involved in torture beyond 'just a few bad apples'.
     
     I don't see this list listed anywhere anymore -- at some point perhaps during the harper years the list was scrubbed(?). According to openparliament[4] the NDP tried to propose that global affairs canada maintain such a list[perhaps to replace one that was scrubbed], but that bill was shot down.
     
     Especially given the expansion of the US torture program[5] since 2005, the continued promotion of US officials who were directly involved in it, and Trump's explicit support of torture (and his increasing willingness to use it on his political enemies), alongside canada's still-existing extradition agreement[see previous posts in this thread] it is worth considering that we should take steps towards the minimization of the chance of canadian citizens being tortured by the US government and one of those steps is going to be : reverting the 2005 martin government policy of explicitly partnering with countries that torture. Canada not only doesn't have to have this policy, but it has agreed, in the 1984 convention against torture and other international agreements that we would take steps *against* this.
     
     So with this in mind here's what the government of canada should consider doing (and this should *explicitly* be considering as our response to trump's on-and-off-again tariffs, and as an excuse to drop our own retaliatory tariffs)
     
     A) reinstate the list, if it has been gotten rid of by harper/trudeau, perhaps at global affairs canada as the NDP originally suggested. WITH the united states featured prominently on it.
     
     B) if the list does exist somewhere and I just can't find it, it should be made available somewhere more prominent, or at the very least the CBC or something should do a story linking to it so that canada and the world can be reminded that the US is a nation that utilizes torture (which is against international law(see further up this thread))
     
     C) Canada's official policy should be explicitly changed so that we don't partner with countries that torture. Not for sharing intelligence
     gained by torture, not in general. It should be a canadian value that we do not condone torture by our "partners" regardless of who it is or why they are doing it. [Anyone with any confusion about this should consult the Canadian Human Rights Museum in Winnipeg I'm sure someone there can explain why this should happen or provide resources for understanding the importance of this]
     
     D) In particular, Maxime Bernier should have resigned over this years ago or should at least publicly apologize for his de facto promotion of US torture and should not be running as a MP again / should be shunned from political life as a quisling.
     
     E) There are legal consequences for those who are in government positions in countries that torture, for those see previous post
     
     Taking a principled stand on countries that torture is a no-brainer for a democratic and free country and it is only due to a kind of politeness and tolerance borne from an unwillingness to rock the boat that our morally bankrupt southern neighbour government has managed to avoid Canada pressuring them on this issue for as long as it has. But the boat is now rocking, and the time for politeness is over. The US torture programs must end, and those involved must be prosecuted. Doing this would surely beat impoverishing canadians and putting canadian businesses in jeopardy with retaliatory tariffs. Canada should, instead of damaging its own economy instead stand up for the rights of canadian citizens to live free from expecting the US government to be able to extradite and torture them.
     
     [1] https://mega.nz/file/g45gnQ4C#S5y4VVfAocWpQPKqsL5BXbao_Y1GYwIzXKb_CO5N3NQ
     [2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-us-added-to-torture-watch-list/
     [3] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/torture-watchlist-wrongly-names-canadian-allies-bernier-1.709958
     [4] https://openparliament.ca/bills/40-3/C-498/
     [5] https://www.facebook.com/jeff.cliff/posts/10152654032052909?
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     39)
     
     change the recommendation for the GHPIN 1.4 of the auditor general's 2021 final report on the failure at GHPIN from
     
     > > 1.4 The Public Health Agency of Canada should actively seek out partnerships and collaboration to leverage for the GPHIN platform more sophisticated technology and methodology used by different sectors, including academia and the private sector, while ensuring retention of key intellectual property and the ability to modify and improve the system in a timely manner.
     
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     1.4 The Public Health Agency of Canada should actively seek out partnerships and collaboration to leverage for the GPHIN platform more sophisticated technology and methodology used by different sectors, including academia and the private sector, while using free software, run on publicly owned infrastructure, sharing data with canadian academia under free licenses
     
     or something like it
     generally (from fb):
     
     > In other words what they are really talking about by using the term "intellectual property" is the use of outsourcing contracts to restrict what GHPIN can do with their own data, and what academics can use of *their* data using things like reachthrough agreements[3]. Their use of software/platform from the unfortunately named proprietary OpenText was the problem -- they are yet another example of a government organization that relied on proprietary software from a vendor as a central point of failure. This reliance on outsourced IT infrastructure (which, incidentally occurred under Harper's watch) was part of why GPHIN was allowed to fail. It's a lesson that GHPIN hasn't learned yet, since their solution to "OpenText" was to originally bring in more infrastructure in-house to Shared Systems canada, but that failed, so they went back "to the cloud". AKA someone else's computer system, probably Amazon/Google.
     > We should ensure that the software that they use is free software, run on canada's *own* infrastructure and not "the cloud". Trusting "the cloud" when the US is capable of turning off canada's access to it is a huge mistake.
     
     ie : what canada has been trying to do since 2021 or so is migrate GHPIN "to the cloud", and to restrict what academics can do when they work with GHPIN. Both of these things are broken and shortsighted, and we should stop both, and fix the issues that would cause either to be a problem rather than group the whole set of problems under "intellectual property"
     
     [3] #sciencemart https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2124675550
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     40) work with other nations who have rocket launch platforms, such as japan, instead of NASA/cape Canaveral both for potential canadian rockets and for their nations rockets to launch canadian objects into space, and their own objects into space.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rocket_launch_sites
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     37) Explicitly end and forbid JTF2 participation in US military related activity.
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     38) support rural broadband, including but not limited to places where starlink use is largest [ie work on replacing starlink with other, more reliable options]. Consider making high speed rural broadband / wireless internet connections *free*, a perk of living in the north.
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     in reply to
     35) x-post from fb:
     
     Instead of proposing an alternative solution to the tariff situation(which I've been posting every day for awhile) I'm going to go in a slightly different direction today. For suggestions on "what to do instead" see just about anything I've posted in this thread and for "but we have to do something" see above in this thread.
     
     Apparently on the TV news, especially the business news networks, the americans have brought in a variety of business "experts" and propagandists. What they are saying to their viewers, one after another is that "canada can't win, the US is too strong, trump's dick is too big, US tariffs are harming us too much, we have to give in and do everything trump wants us to and kiss his ring"
     
     This is somewhere between a black and white fallacy/false dillema[2]("our choice is either to tariff back or kiss his ring"), a argumentum ad baculum[4]("let us grab you by the beaver [or we'll hurt you]") a hasty generalization[5]("we can't win with tariffs therefor there's nothing we can do") and generally not the *only* way to look at the situation.
     
     It's clear that the trumpists PR agencies are masters at framing and what they are trying to do is to instill Fear and Doubt into canada at the prospect of taking our future into our own hands. Also it's trying to tie a bad response (retaliatory tariffs) as the *only* response because sooner or later it's going to be clear to us that our own response *is harming us* and so we will eventually stop doing it. Once we stop with the retaliatory tariffs there will be some in canada who will be tempted to just give in everything and give trump and the american government whatever they want -- but this is a mistake.
     because it is possible to hold these two premises
     * We shouldn't *have* retaliatory tariffs
     AND
     * We should resist trump's attempt at taking over the country
     
     as well it is possible to admit two things
     * It is a bad idea to have retaliatory tariffs (IS)
     * We should resist trump's attempt at taking over the country (OUGHT)
     
     (Note the existence of an "IS" and an "OUGHT" above - one of them is a positive claim, the other is a call for action -- this is an is-ought problem[1] - again something that could in principle be bridged but which at least as stated above, and which as stated on TV by appeasers/propagandists certainly isn't).
     Generally: don't believe the hype. North Korea survived as an independent nation for generations against the fact of US attempting to overthrow its government and replace it with a friendly regime. Granted: their standard of living is low, and they have a dictator, and have allied themselves with china to some extent, and now have nuclear weapons... but they are living proof that just about no matter what trump does it is *our choice* at the end of the day what happens to our nation. We *can* survive trump's tariffs, and we can even survive our own stupid retaliatory tariff response (though both will be painful). We can also make life increasingly difficult for the US government via a lot of actions of our own. Resistance is fertile[6] for generating more solidarity, more ideas for resistance and for getting closer to having more practice at self-government generally. We *never* need to "kiss the ring" and acquiesce to the demands of trump and his totalitarian allies for full submission. This is true even if we "choose our battles" wisely and strategically, both in terms of "trade war" (in Melanie Jolie's terms) and otherwise - there may be things that we have to agree on that makes sense on their own terms, or in terms of strategic losses that put us in a better position but those *should be considered on their own merits*. We have a lot going for us as a nation and a lot of potential that is as of yet unrealized - we've got potentially years to go before Trump's inevitable one-big-mac-too-many-event to make his life, and the life of those who oppose our existence very difficult.
     
     Especially as Trump is picking fights with nations around the world -- Canada is increasingly not alone. Every time Trump opens his mouth about Iran(see above) or Panama or France -- it offers us another nation that has every interest in working together with us more closely. Every time Trump acts to restrict trade with other nations it empowers Canada to replace them and grow our economy to counterbalance them. The scales, globally are already close to tipping. If we can continue to mostly have peace(outside of regions like ukraine) we can continue to reap dividends that will buffer us against US pressure. And the fact that we are so close already to a global order shift is a sign worthy of hope that their strength will falter.
     
     Canada should not relish struggle over our own independence with the US government. What we're going through is already ugly and can get more ugly. We should be working together with the US to pursue our shared, common goals as two nations with a somewhat shared history, similar cultures, similar aspirations, similar problems and similar limitations. But if Trump and the GOP want to pressure us into bending to his will, we can resist. We should expect the US to use PR and propaganda against us. We should expect that PR to make it look like not just victory but our own survival as an independent nation is impossible. Because that's what Trump wants.
     
     And we should never confuse what Trump wants for what we're going to do.
     
     [1] is https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-44Xnj93Lag&pp=ygUNdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBpcw%3D%3D
     [2] false dilemma https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5DmxB9UFFcg&t=1s&pp=ygUQdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBmYWxzZQ%3D%3D
     [3] false equivalent https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uMGuCke3wvQ&t=1s&pp=ygUQdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBmYWxzZQ%3D%3D
     [4] baculum https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DeOkjDEgWy4&t=5s&pp=ygUSdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBiYWN1bHVt
     [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
     [6] anarchism, sec j 15 (apt-get install anarchism to install)
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     36) Remove the part from the preclearance act of 2016 (C-23 2017) where it says that canadian police/CBSA are authorized to do what US officials tell them in carrying out the duties required to make prescreening work. Let the americans do their own busywork with their own employees if they want prescreening work to be done at all.
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     33) Invoke Article 4 of the North Atlantic treaty.
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     • Cory Doctorow
     • Free Software Foundation
     • Richard Stallman
     34)
     
     @rms 's idea:
     
     Promote a made-in-canada, ****free software**** app store as official government policy for all 'smartphones'. Require apple/android to both support it.
     Release all government apps on it. Maybe work directly with @fdroid@floss.social or even @pluralistic / @fsf to make this happen and make sure it's not just a step backwards into a dystopian hellscape.
     
     https://mastodon.xyz/@rms/114152643997620888
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     31) Bring in everyone involved in truemaple and put them under watch. Ankle bracelets or prison.
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     32) Create a national language program with the goal of adding 100,000-300,000 new farsi speakers in canada through immersion programs, exchange programs, (within canada/ideally within provinces), official education support ie classes in highschool/elementary school/university and generally: make it a national priority to expand the canadian language skill with farsi at the national level.
     
     There's about 250,000 farsi speakers in canada already: you could pair each of them with a monolingual person (ie from the prairies). Maybe state-assigned-farsi-gf goes too far but just saying: there's plenty of young farsi women and young monolingual english saskatchewan farmboys/alberta oil workers who could be learning a language, and vice versa. Something like an english-farsi katimavik-like program maybe. All voluntary of course.
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     29) Provide explicit legal shelter for the #fourthievesvinegar collective, possibly funding them/providing government employees for them to work alongside with the goal of having at the very least a pilot project in a hackerspace like sktechworks having their manufacturing process online to manufacture drugs like beta blockers.
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     30) leave WIPO
     
     fun fact: there's an essay that I wrote back in the very early days of being on the WWW [ it's terrible ] - but we need to leave WIPO if we're going to stop the spread of "intellectual property" rhetoric in our nation's laws. The US is going to have an issue with our doing this, but that would be the point - it would be better to leave WIPO than to have retaliatory tariffs. ie leaving WIPO should be our response to the trump tariff on canadian steel, aluminum, etc.
     https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/richard-stallman-against-the-concept-of-intellectual-property/2007/01/18
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     27) explicitly drop out of the 1971 copyright convention / Paris convention (Which was required to ratify upon entry to NAFTA #1
     
     it will interfere with dropping copyright protection for US materials - if we are serious enough to drop out of WIPOCT, NAFTA2/USMCA, TRIPS and want to do this we're going to have to drop out of the 1971 paris convention
     
     but realistically, so many of our problems with copyright stem from this 'universalizing' agreement that attempted to bridge the gap between berne and non-berne copyright systems and internationalize copyright control over global culture. Even on its own merits -- the goals which it set out to accomplish by existing, it has miserably failed -- canada should have long since recognized this openly and been talking about getting rid of it, but there's one reason why we won't: pressure from the USTR to make our copyright system more restrictive, more maximalist. Well that pressure should now be ignored.
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     28) Exclude the US from the Three Amigos Summit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Leaders%27_Summit - consider replacing trump with the president of the EU/prime minister of Denmark instead.