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   Pink (can@haz.pink)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 13:41:46 JST Pink

   I still miss Google Inbox. It was the absolute best email client ever made. It was perfect, and nothing comes close, even today.

   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbox_by_Gmail

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     obrhoff (obrhoff@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 13:41:45 JST obrhoff

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     @can Would be great to see wide JMAL adoption, so we could see some innovation in that space.

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     obrhoff (obrhoff@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:05:05 JST obrhoff

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     @can JMAP!

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     Pink (can@haz.pink)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:05:06 JST Pink

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     • obrhoff

     @obrhoff JMAL?

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     obrhoff (obrhoff@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:12:27 JST obrhoff

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     @can Unfortunately, only FastMail supports it.

     Neither Thunderbird nor major players like Gmail and Microsoft support it, as they obviously push their own proprietary protocols.

     So there is not much hope of innovation outside of these players. I would say Inbox could have only existed because it was not using IMAP.

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     Pink (can@haz.pink)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:12:28 JST Pink

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     @obrhoff ah! Didn’t know about that. But yeah, an open and modern alternative to IMAP would really be appreciated. I was looking into building my own version of Inbox some time ago and IMAP is just absolutely horrible!

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     obrhoff (obrhoff@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:28:51 JST obrhoff

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     @can I'm really not into that topic, but there are server-side implementations out there, but I guess there won’t be adoption since big providers stick to their stack.
     https://github.com/stalwartlabs/mail-server

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     Pink (can@haz.pink)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:28:53 JST Pink

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     @obrhoff yes, establishing a new email standard in this day and age seems almost impossible, if it isn’t coming from Google. And with Google, we’re lucky that they’re still supporting IMAP. Maybe they have a chance if they add JMAP support to open source email servers like Dovecot. But I somehow doubt it even then.

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     obrhoff (obrhoff@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 17:34:54 JST obrhoff

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     @can The only company that could really push JMAP would be really Apple. Afaik iCloud Mail is still based on IMAP and iCloud Mail could really benefit from it.

     Unfortunately Apple stopped being the company pushing for open standards and rather also implements now their own proprietary protocols.