obrhoff
With the enshittification of Apple Maps, I think there is another opportunity in the Fediverse to build something great.
Is anyone working on something like this based on OSM and the Fediverse? Recently, Foursquare released their location data, which could be a great kick-off.
I would love to contribute.
#applemaps #osm #googlemaps #fediverse #foursquare
obrhoff
@Josteglitz I really miss Foursquare and its user reviews.
Josteglitz 🌱💚
@obrhoff
What exactly do you want to build that's new?
obrhoff
@crossgolf_rebel Indeed and thats the reason why I don't use Swarm. Afaik this is just a dataset and free to use and does not contribute to their business model.
crossgolf_rebel
@obrhoff@chaos.social I don't see why I should help another company to broaden its business base and earn money with my work.
If so, then only with OSM
Daniel
@obrhoff The ActivityStream spec has a (very limited) Place object for very basic geo integration into the fediverse
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#places
Unfortunately on the Mastodon side there seems to be resistance to implement anything geo related; various tickets, here are just some
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/281
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/29002
If you don't mind about participating networks like Mastodon not making use of it, there's nothing stopping you from sending geo data.
obrhoff
@djh Me giving a talk? Last time i wrote GIS code (for bbybike) is more than 10 years ago. Funny I just took a look at it, and I understand nothing about it anymore 😂
Daniel
@obrhoff and from a while ago: https://chaos.social/@djh/111937041846184707
If you want to go down that route I can recommend coming by the Berlin OpenStreetMap meetup or even giving a lightning talk at GeomobBER.
I can connect you to both and always happy to talk geo 🤓 I think the intersection of geo x fediverse is underserved for sure.
Daniel
@obrhoff Ha! Sure it's more about the geo x fediverse intersection and what could be! 🙂
obrhoff
@djh @ianthetechie @everydoor @zverik It's a very good question.
Besides the obvious „the frontend needs to be user-friendly“, I think the biggest issue is branding. Maybe the Fediverse should pull together for some kind of „organic/bio“ label.
You could say "Fediverse" is already one but it does not have the reach or impact and is more a technical term than a brand.
Daniel
@ianthetechie @obrhoff @everydoor @zverik I believe the more interesting question is not technical but how can we build something that incentivizes the less nerdy folks to contribute to free and open geo data and/or the fediverse.
With nerdy apps such as StreetComplete or EveryDoor, or Mastodon or Pixelfed, we're still not getting the incentives working as e.g. Meta does: Most companies want an Instagram or Facebook account, simply because it's good for their business.
Ian Wagner
@obrhoff yeah im a huge fan! Also a very long time Foursquare user.
IMO the best thing we can do short term is mobilize mappers to verify (or not) these places in OSM :)
Longer term I’d love to see a similar location game for verifying and adding POIs in OSM.
Ian Wagner
@obrhoff as for the “how” part, @everydoor is the best mobile POI editor I know. But there are two open questions:
1. How to find places that need verification.
2. How to mark a place as “validated.”
Maybe we could propose a Foursquare reference tag in OSM for correlation? A Foursquare place with an OSM place having a correlation ID AND a check data means an OSM mapper verified it.
Then we could build a (web based for now?) tool to help mappers find places to check.
Thoughts @zverik?
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