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@arcana @vic @toiletpaper a lot of hermeticism is just heretical syncretism bolted on christianity
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@toiletpaper @arcana @vic hot take, all that stuff is actually bullshit and not important
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Neither Judajism, Christinanity nor Islame would have a theology to speak of were it not for them syncretising Hermeticism and NeoPlatonism into the BuyBull narrative.
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I think the Trinity is pretty important to most of Christinanity, in spite of it being a direct ripoff from Plato's theory of the tripartate soul. #justsayn Just one example of many.
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@toiletpaper @arcana @vic application of plato's theory of soul to the trinity is a later innovation
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@toiletpaper @arcana @vic as an example there's also nothign really biblical about saying the holy spirit is the sophia or that the father and son have any deeper meaning than father and son. the reason it was a debate has to do with the nature of the eternal God himself eg if the son Jesus was coeternal with God the Father or he didn't exist until He was born. Purely Christian
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@toiletpaper @arcana @vic christians were already aware of and rejected the logos theory by the time that tertullian proposed it. his idea isn't even the one we adopt, triune separate godhead is explicitly a heresy
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The first guy to even mention the "trinity" was Tertullian, and he was basing the concept off the Logos theology which was plagiarised wholesale from Platonism. All the early church fathers were heavily influenced by Hellenic theology and philosophy, including the Jews of that era. To say it had no influence on their thinking is silly, since their entire argument in that era was an attempt to justify Christinanity's status as a legitimate religion in contrast to the philosophical and theological understanding from the traditions of Plato, Aristotle and Homer, etc. That and to distinguish themselves from other sects such as what's now broadly called "Gnostic". All the theological language they used to denote these concepts were taken directly from prior art and the language invented by Pagan theologians.
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@toiletpaper @arcana @vic > There's nothing really biblical about most Christinane theology.
thats what i'm saying, throw it away.
I have fun learning about early church stories (some are even true) but it is not important.
i have personal theology beliefs as the result of direct revelation but it is only important to me, everyone can have personal revelation only prophets get to have revelation for others
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@sun @arcana @vic
There's nothing really biblical about most Christinane theology. It's just using Pagan philosophy to backwards rationalise a Judeo-supremacist fairy tale. The question of whether the cosmos came to exist from nothing, or always existed, or had a creator (and who created the creator, turtles all the way down), or is comprised of a mind (aka: logos, nous, phyche, etc), etc, etc, is somewhat interesting. But with the exception of modern astrophysics and math, also purely speculation. Why some Abrahamic cults get a free pass to commit genocide over who has the right answer and whether it can be backwards rationalised into that farcical text is beyond me. If there's anything that's purely Abrahamic, it's all the bloodshed stemming from that argument, which frankly makes it abundantly clear that this is no religion, but simply a cult of violent stupidity using a heap of saccharine platitudes to disguise itself as such.
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