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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 04:18:40 JST Chris Trottier

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   • GaySteve🏳️‍🌈

   @Steve Yep, as I said, I cannot understate the role social discovery had in this.

   But the two things come hand-in-hand. The social norm is opposition to quote posting and social discovery.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 04:18:42 JST Chris Trottier

     Periodically, I see people upset that #Bluesky has become the default alternative to #Twitter instead of #Mastodon. So we need to understand why that happened:

     1. Bluesky simply has a better UI/UX for Twitter users than Mastodon because it basically is Twitter whereas Mastodon is its own thing
     2. When the Twitter migration happened in November 2022, those who managed to get a Mastodon account found that navigating Mastodon’s unwritten social norms was difficult
     3. Mastodon already had a pre-existing community, one that clashed with mainstream Twitter – whereas there was no community on Bluesky when Twitter users migrated there
     4. Certain marginalized groups, such as Black folk, found a hostile environment here, and many who have stayed remain here because they believe in the tech despite the community that exists around it

     I cannot understate the role that social discovery had in this. On Bluesky it is easy to find people and topics that are relevant to users whereas on Mastodon this takes a lot of heavy lifting.

     That said, there’s a silver lining to this. Should Bluesky fail to decentralize and the company alienates their userbase – which is inevitable – where will Bluesky users go?

     Obviously, to Mastodon.

     But when that happens, we need to prepare ourselves for the eventual migration and build a better environment for Bluesky users to come here.

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     Rainha Das 6 Da Tarde :Ryyca: repeated this.
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     GaySteve🏳️‍🌈 (steve@ferral.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 04:18:42 JST GaySteve🏳️‍🌈

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     @atomicpoet I would suggest the the lack - and even opposition to - account discovery features and quote posting played a much greater role then a clash of social norms.
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     Tim Bray (timbray@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 11:12:06 JST Tim Bray

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     • tsadilas

     @atomicpoet @tsadilas Also, there's a technology problem that makes the attackers invisible. https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2024/07/30/Invisible-Attackers

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 11:12:07 JST Chris Trottier

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     • tsadilas

     @tsadilas Indeed, I also ask why 4 happened.

     But as with many other ills that befall the Fediverse, it can be condensed into three letters: HOA.

     The Homeowners Association of the Fediverse decided that they wanted to keep “undesirables” out.

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     tsadilas (tsadilas@libretooth.gr)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 11:12:09 JST tsadilas

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     @atomicpoet Why 4 happened? I mean, I was not even aware of such a problem.

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     Brian Vastag (brianvastag@sciencemastodon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 11:13:48 JST Brian Vastag

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     @atomicpoet In Nov. '22 I saw many people on the fediverse tell journalists to leave and several servers de-federated from journo.host. Journalists who tried it here took the hint and most did leave as far as I can tell.