Abolisyonista
So classical Maya civilization didn't collapse, their elites and states did. The people and their culture persisted in the Maya countryside with no break in continuity in the postclassical period. What could that tell us about the future I wonder?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/maya-civilization-rural-collapse-controversy
Abolisyonista
@acb yeah but Rome was replaced by other polities. The Maya states collapsed and wouldn't resurface until a bit later. Previously, it was believed this collapse was apocalyptic. But new archaeological evidence says the contrary, that Maya people endured after their elites and states fell.
acb
@abolisyonista wasn’t it the same with Rome? (The Empire fell/fragmented, infrastructure crumbled and was scavenged for parts, but people across its territories continued as always, eventually the Vulgar Latin they spoke diverging into separate languages that became French/Castilian/Romanian/the various Italian dialects.)
Abolisyonista
@DecaturNature thanks I'll check that out
DecaturNature
@abolisyonista Thanks for sharing that. I recently heard a good podcast on the topic of societal collapse and how it is often often an archeological observation about cities and monuments, but doesn't tell us much about whether it really was bad for most people. Even when there's evidence of population decline in an area, its very hard to say how that occurred (migration vs declining births vs increased deaths)
https://wondery.com/shows/tides-of-history/episode/5629-what-is-collapse-interview-with-professor-guy-middleton/
Even when there is historical record about what happened, its often biased by reliance on the ruling class as the only witness.
BrambleBearGrrrauling
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Abolisyonista
@BrambleBearGrrrauwling weird. I'm not a subscriber but I read it without a paywall or anything.
Abolisyonista
@tsyum I knew that yeah
ts 🚉
@abolisyonista yeah, there are still millions of Mayan people living today, speaking a Mayan language, etc.
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