@abolisyonista Thanks for sharing that. I recently heard a good podcast on the topic of societal collapse and how it is often often an archeological observation about cities and monuments, but doesn't tell us much about whether it really was bad for most people. Even when there's evidence of population decline in an area, its very hard to say how that occurred (migration vs declining births vs increased deaths)
https://wondery.com/shows/tides-of-history/episode/5629-what-is-collapse-interview-with-professor-guy-middleton/
Even when there is historical record about what happened, its often biased by reliance on the ruling class as the only witness.
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