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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 05:44:03 JST feld
   @m Delta Chat is never mentioned in any privacy or alternative secure messenger guides. I see Threema mentioned as a Signal alternative, but never Delta Chat. It's kinda mind boggling how the entire internet is wearing blinders.
   
   My only guess is that the security minded folks see "email" and "PGP inside" and immediately says NO, this is not good because we've been trained to think emails can never be secured without looking at the actual implementation details.
   
   It can indeed be secured if everyone is using the same implementation.
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     Kinetix (kinetix@humanwords.cc)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 02:20:25 JST Kinetix

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     @m@thias.hellqui.st @feld@friedcheese.us I've found this bit really amazing. Delta Chat requires nothing of anyone and is nicely secure. Everyone already has a DC account but it's completely ignored at this point.
     
     Meanwhile, Signal could disappear at a moment's notice.
     
     Nobody can take my email infrastructure away from me. And/or I could move it/replicate it anywhere I needed to pretty easily.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 08:33:08 JST feld

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     • Ellyse
     @ellyxir @kinetix @m Matrix requires a much more powerful server to operate. It has different goals and characteristics but it can be used as a secure messenger. It has a very confusing UX though
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     Ellyse (ellyxir@humanwords.cc)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 08:33:09 JST Ellyse

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     • Kinetix

     @kinetix @m@thias.hellqui.st @feld@friedcheese.us yes, i never heard of delta chat, interesting! does matrix solve this issue also or its not related? i know matrix has e2e also.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 08:48:00 JST feld

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     • Ellyse
     @ellyxir @kinetix @m You can use it with a normal email address. These messages would end up being in a Delta Chat folder and unreadable in your normal email app as you need the Delta Chat app with the decryption key to read them. The messages may also contain data for things like emoji reacts, etc, which wouldn't be very human-readable.
     
     It is recommended instead to create an account on a Chatmail server which is what the app walks you through by default. The signup is instant and doesn't require any personal information. You also don't even need to create a password as one is randomly generated for you. You mostly forget that there's an email account involved at all.
     
     You send people the link or QR code for your Delta Chat account and it will automatically connect you as a verified contact.
     
     Try the link in my bio if you want to test. It's very quick to setup and your account will automatically be deleted if you stop using it for a long time.
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     Ellyse (ellyxir@humanwords.cc)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 08:48:02 JST Ellyse

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     @feld@friedcheese.us @kinetix@humanwords.cc @m@thias.hellqui.st the UX is a bit complicated. i get confused what ive read and what i havent yet. but there is large adoption for it. i didn't realise its not easy to operate a server. delta chat sounds neat. i'll have to check it out. so do you end up seeing the chat messages in your mail client also?