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Ericka Simone (erickasimone@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 01:07:14 JST Ericka Simone
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For the smart and cool kids who were asking for options to #bandcamp since that weird verbiage was discovered inside the new contracts. @mirlo is an option I want you to follow and get into. #music

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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 01:11:48 JST Paul Cantrell
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  Forgive me, I guess I missed a beat: What's the weird verbiage in the Bandcamp contracts? I haven’t heard about this!
  
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  icastico (icastico@c.im)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:50 JST icastico
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  That is not how I read it. Their verbiage seems to say (essentially) - “if you upload somebody else’s work and we discover it is covered by a proper PRO, we’ll take money and pay them.”
  I could be wrong on this, but that essential language has been part of Bandcamp’s TOS since the beginning, iirc.
  
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  Ericka Simone (erickasimone@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:50 JST Ericka Simone
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  @icastico @inthehands @mirlo here we go. Let’s figure it out together. lol. https://mstdn.social/@caitp/113883604111806561
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    Attached: 1 image (A Very wrong take) INAL, but I think this means if you upload to #Bandcamp and you claim a track's songwriter is not of an org like ASCAP, they can claim songwriting credits for any songs you upload that are played on air, for instance? And basically it's up to you to verify that the information is correct? So, putting covers or bootlegs on Bandcamp potentially gives them license to do crimes with you on the hook for it? If that isn't the jist of it someone who is should explain it better
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:50 JST Paul Cantrell
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  My read is that the language is trying to solve this problem:
  - My student friend Ericka writes a song for me
  - She has no PRO; it was just for fun on the weekend
  - I release it on Bancamp and tell them she has no PRO
  - Then Ericka gets serious, goes ASCAP, hits it big
  - But I don't update my Bancamp data because I have a life
  → Bancamp can say, “Hey, Ericka should get paid for this now!” without having to harangue me about it
  That makes sense.
  I see nothing in that language that lets •Bandcamp• grab the PRO cut for themselves as the OP suggested — only pass it on to the songwriter.
  Reading the language with a suspicious eye, it does seem like Bandcamp •could• have latitude to do the crap all these services do where they just scrub alleged rights abuses without proper review, and it's a headache for musicians.
  CAVEAT: I am not a lawyer (and it is a sad world where musicians have to try to be one for even 2 seconds).
  
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  Ericka Simone (erickasimone@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:51 JST Ericka Simone
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  @inthehands @mirlo I gotta scroll back a bit, but one of the music besties pointed out verbiage that reads like “if you do not have a proper PRO or publishing company in place, we’re taking your publishing cuts” and now we’re all looking for legal fedi. lol.
  
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