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   Ericka Simone (erickasimone@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 01:07:14 JST Ericka Simone

   • mirlo.space

   For the smart and cool kids who were asking for options to #bandcamp since that weird verbiage was discovered inside the new contracts. @mirlo is an option I want you to follow and get into. #music

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 01:11:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @ErickaSimone @mirlo
     Forgive me, I guess I missed a beat: What's the weird verbiage in the Bandcamp contracts? I haven’t heard about this!

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     icastico (icastico@c.im)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:50 JST icastico

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     • mirlo.space

     @ErickaSimone @inthehands @mirlo

     That is not how I read it. Their verbiage seems to say (essentially) - “if you upload somebody else’s work and we discover it is covered by a proper PRO, we’ll take money and pay them.”

     I could be wrong on this, but that essential language has been part of Bandcamp’s TOS since the beginning, iirc.

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     Ericka Simone (erickasimone@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:50 JST Ericka Simone

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     • icastico
     • mirlo.space

     @icastico @inthehands @mirlo here we go. Let’s figure it out together. lol. https://mstdn.social/@caitp/113883604111806561

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:50 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • mirlo.space

     @ErickaSimone @icastico @mirlo
     My read is that the language is trying to solve this problem:
     - My student friend Ericka writes a song for me
     - She has no PRO; it was just for fun on the weekend
     - I release it on Bancamp and tell them she has no PRO
     - Then Ericka gets serious, goes ASCAP, hits it big
     - But I don't update my Bancamp data because I have a life
     → Bancamp can say, “Hey, Ericka should get paid for this now!” without having to harangue me about it

     That makes sense.

     I see nothing in that language that lets •Bandcamp• grab the PRO cut for themselves as the OP suggested — only pass it on to the songwriter.

     Reading the language with a suspicious eye, it does seem like Bandcamp •could• have latitude to do the crap all these services do where they just scrub alleged rights abuses without proper review, and it's a headache for musicians.

     CAVEAT: I am not a lawyer (and it is a sad world where musicians have to try to be one for even 2 seconds).

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     Ericka Simone (erickasimone@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 02:16:51 JST Ericka Simone

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     • Paul Cantrell
     • mirlo.space

     @inthehands @mirlo I gotta scroll back a bit, but one of the music besties pointed out verbiage that reads like “if you do not have a proper PRO or publishing company in place, we’re taking your publishing cuts” and now we’re all looking for legal fedi. lol.