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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 09:14:36 JST Paul Cantrell

   I want to be very, very clear:

   The US •right now• is doing the same thing, exactly this, without exaggeration, to some of the individuals captured in the immigration raids this week.

   Yes, many of the people deported as a result of those raids will merely suffer family separation, trauma, poverty, and misery. Merely.

   But some of them are refugees fleeing gangs and governments who will torture and kill them if they return to their country of origin. https://mastodon.world/@auschwitzmuseum/113886049800484607

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 09:16:42 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Looking at these faces in Auschwitz Memorial account, don’t seem them only as history that cannot be changed. See them as a glimpse of how people in the future will view the history we are writing •right now•.

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     Jamie McCarthy (jamiemccarthy@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 00:51:33 JST Jamie McCarthy

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     @inthehands What ICE is doing is terrible, without question. And innocent people are going to suffer, and as you say some will surely die at the hands of foreign gangs.

     This is still different than Nazis invading France, rounding up French Jews, shopping them to a Nazi camp, forcing the healthy to work as slaves until they die, and killing the rest in death factories built for that purpose.

     That’s something different.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 00:51:33 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jamie McCarthy

     @jamiemccarthy

     You misunderstand. I am not comparing ICE to Hitler. I am comparing ICE to the •US• (and other countries that deported Jewish refugees) at the time of Hitler.

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     Jamie McCarthy (jamiemccarthy@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 02:34:49 JST Jamie McCarthy

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     @inthehands

     Henriette Rosenthal was not "deported" by France.

     The US refused arrival to many Jewish people fleeing Hitler (and also accepted many). It did not deport Jewish refugees. "Refugee" was not even a category recognized by US immigration until 1948. In any case the US was not rounding up Jews and shipping them to Germany.

     So I'm still not sure what comparison you're drawing.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 02:34:49 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jamie McCarthy

     @jamiemccarthy
     Ah, yes, sorry, I realize now I left a big leap in the OP, jumping off the word “deported” in the post I quoted. I'm thinking of situations like the St. Louis, where Jews fleeing the Holocaust sought refuge in safer countries but were turned back:
     https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-the-st-louis

     •That• is the thing that is analogous to the US now.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 02:49:55 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Important clarification re my OP, in which I realize I left a very confusing / misleading leap of associations:
     https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/113890196685307951

     Writing is hard.

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     Jamie McCarthy (jamiemccarthy@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 08:46:13 JST Jamie McCarthy

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     @inthehands Ah, I see. Yes a comparison to the shameful case of the St. Louis is not inappropriate. About half of the passengers who could not find refuge before being returned to Germany were killed by the Nazi regime.

     But in the OP, “deported from Drancy to Auschwitz” is not meant in the sense of ICE deportations. They may have meant “transported.” Drancy was a Nazi camp in occupied France.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 08:46:13 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jamie McCarthy

     @jamiemccarthy
     Right, right, I understand, and that’s where my OP skipped several steps in my train of thought and left confusion in its wake.