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   Danielle Foré (danirabbit@mastodon.online)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:35:37 JST Danielle Foré

   “I hope they get everything they voted for” is such a privileged thing to say. You know they voted for people to die right? You hope they get everything they voted for? For real?

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     papai comuna :tux: :comunista: (joojmachine@ursal.zone)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:35:36 JST papai comuna :tux: :comunista:

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     @vansice @danirabbit Spoiler alert: without an actual political alternative other than fascism being presented to them, not even the natural consequences will "get them to reason", it will just make everyone even more miserable and even more outraged at everything without promoting actual change.

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     Van Sice (vansice@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:35:37 JST Van Sice

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     @danirabbit You're not wrong. But I fear people need to experience the consequences of their actions in order for them to understand they were wrong. There are people out there who just insist on learning things the hard way. And we can't go on with this many of them in ignorance & denial of what they've done. We need them to stop. And I don't know how else but natural consequences are going to get them to.

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     papai comuna :tux: :comunista: (joojmachine@ursal.zone)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:39:25 JST papai comuna :tux: :comunista:

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     @danirabbit Here in Brazil an unfortunate concept that got popularized by a so-called-left-wing author is the "right-wing poor man", which became basically a scapegoat for everything miserable that happens in our politics and when fascist politicians do fascist things, blaming everything on them for voting for them.

     "Never give in to the temptation to hate the people" is a motto that I take to heart and I think that a lot of so-called-left-wing people in the US need to take to heart as well. There's a great article on this that's in portuguese, but nothing a little bit of elbow grease and a translator can't help: https://lavrapalavra.com/2022/10/31/quem-vota-contra-si-e-tambem-uma-vitima/

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     Van Sice (vansice@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:47:23 JST Van Sice

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     @joojmachine @danirabbit I guess I don't agree that they didn't have an actual political alternative. Just because Dems are flawed doesn't mean that they were no alternative at all, that's like saying if it's not perfect, it doesn't exist. And I also don't think someone needs to have a better answer at hand to learn something was a mistake, either. A person can screw up, see and dislike consequences they have to deal from that and then choose to go search out another answer for themselves.

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     papai comuna :tux: :comunista: (joojmachine@ursal.zone)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:47:23 JST papai comuna :tux: :comunista:

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     @vansice @danirabbit Take this from a perspective that isn't biased by living in the US: dems are NOT an alternative, they purposefully exist as a "moderate" alternative to fascism in order to never allow an actual left-wing party to become an actual alternative

     there's an obvious historical reason the US doesn't have a strong communist party, but there'll forever be a need for one, compared to the rest of the world all the US currently have as an option is fascism vs rainbow fascism

     also, coming back to the example, a person can screw up and learn from their mistakes, but we should never let them see the consequences from their mistakes when these consequences are mass deportation, generalized attacks to LGBTQ+ rights and other blatant neonazi policies

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     Van Sice (vansice@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:52:35 JST Van Sice

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     @joojmachine @danirabbit oOOoh, so this was an argument that the only viable alternative to fascism is communism? Got it.

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     papai comuna :tux: :comunista: (joojmachine@ursal.zone)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 05:52:35 JST papai comuna :tux: :comunista:

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     @vansice @danirabbit Not necessarily, but a communist party and its strength can always be used as a kind of "thermometer" of how strong a left-leaning wave a country has.
     Currently both Brazil and the US have almost none, but Brazil still has a rising trend in their communist parties, due to more people deciding to organize politically and fight against fascism, while in the US there's almost nothing of substance (although there is a couple of sparks here and there).