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   screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 11:12:14 JST screwlisp

   #gameDev
   #codeGolf is a #game right?? "Challenges" and all that. #programmingChallenge #programming
   https://lispy-gopher-show.itch.io/lispmoo2/devlog/871475/nud-golf
   I modified my little NUD language to basically be vi but for #lisp lists. Er, if I do say so. YMMV

   Alternately, propose your own challenges for me and others to solve (I'll add them to the git here: https://codeberg.org/tfw/nud/src/branch/master/golf.org )

   If anyone wants help trying or has other commentary, lmk here or during the show.

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 11:15:43 JST screwlisp

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     Yes I'm aware (nsubst 'foo 'ofo *test1*) would work, but that's against the spirit of things.

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     𝚛𝚊𝚝 (rat@social.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 12:11:16 JST 𝚛𝚊𝚝

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     @screwtape proposed challenge:
     shall we play a game?
     at the (posix) shell on a pubnix(-like) system
     the admin has installed all the (common) lisps
     what code should happen when you type "help"?
     what other words should be available?
     #newbie #help #unix_surrealism

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 12:20:34 JST screwlisp

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     • Karsten Johansson
     • 𝚛𝚊𝚝

     @rat
     $ clisp
     [1]> help
     You are in the top-level Read-Eval-Print loop.
     Help (abbreviated :h) = this lit
     Use the usual editing capabilities.
     (quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.

     @ksaj

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     𝚛𝚊𝚝 (rat@social.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 13:52:05 JST 𝚛𝚊𝚝

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     • Karsten Johansson

     @screwtape @ksaj good golf

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 13:52:05 JST screwlisp

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     • Karsten Johansson
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     @rat
     Sorry I parsed the words "lisp" nad "help" and @ksaj's clisp is what occured to me. I guess gnu clisp is dependable, sbcl is fancy / the heir to cmucl, ecl is-a-C/C++-shared-lib and directly credits the Kyoto common lisp devs, I never really encountered CCL.

     Alfred M. Szmidt repeated this.
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     Karsten Johansson (ksaj@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 15:06:37 JST Karsten Johansson

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     • 𝚛𝚊𝚝

     @screwtape @rat clisp isn't fussy, which is why I always use it to hammer out my thoughts. Then I use sbcl to fix up any of my wonkiness that clisp permits lol.

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 17:08:43 JST screwlisp

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     I added the anti-features of apply-nconc-to-register & and erase-history << since nconcing registers really zazzes things up, and erasing history almost but not really forgives a lot of problems.

     NUD/USER> ^^
     (2 3)
     (> #:CURSOR (2 3) 4 (5 6))

     NUD/USER> >>
     (1 #1=(3) 4 (5 6 2 . #1#))

     They don't help my True Purpose of cdr-coding a Pratt Parser, but they do make cons trees into that room in David Bowie's labyrinth

     I HAVE BEEN GENEROUS UP TIL NOW BUT I CAN BE CRUEL

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 17:28:49 JST screwlisp

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     I haven't utterly failed at thinking about a Pratt parser.

     Pratt uses recursive descent when parsing inputs. Whenever I read an operator, I call that operator's thing (whether it's a NUD or a LED), and it reads inputs until it hits something with equal or lower priority than itself, returning what it has finished recursively discovering was this piece of generated code. I hope instead of recursing, I can just keep moving forwards (in a way that looks a lot like recursing, to be fair).

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     Karsten Johansson (ksaj@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 17:29:00 JST Karsten Johansson

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     @screwtape @rat Pretty much this. I always use the hyperspec, so I actually forget what each lisp's help looks like. As long as there is a way to query a keyword or a topic, I'm happy.

     Ever seen the Python help? Yes, is thorough. But you get an eye-bleed of a screenful first.

     Sorry I wasn't online most of the weekend, and now posting from my cell phone, lol. Although, I do have a couple of lisps on my phone, but they are far from the usual choices.

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 10:01:24 JST screwlisp

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     @rat No worries, as I mentioned, I'm holding off on introducing-other-people-to-it until the Arrokoth interface arrives, though I'm trying to engender in myself the habit of posting a golf per day on itch_io already

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     𝚛𝚊𝚝 (rat@social.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 10:01:25 JST 𝚛𝚊𝚝

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     @screwtape sorry, totally misconstrued your "challenge" 🙃