Ben Royce 🇺🇦
It blows my mind encountering voices on #Mastodon going "yeah but we have to go after #Facebook and #Twitter too." Yeah, no shit. "How they are doing it makes me uncomfortable"
Look: fuck #Zuckerberg. Fuck #Musk. But it's still good to kill #Tiktok
Do they believe we're going to get magic perfect legislation? What is the ineffectual posturing for?
Fucking showboating toxic idealists
Just fucking kill Tiktok. Period. To hell with handwringing that nothing is perfect
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
I reject all of that bullshit. Tiktok is evil as bad as meta. And to defend it means you're invested in tiktok and actually don't care about any principles here
You're the spitting image of the toxic useless idealism and corruption whining about killing tiktok (yes, you're corrupt: talking about people making money on tiktok as an excuse)
Fuck tiktok
Kill it
🖕 to your whiny bullshit in defense of centralized corporate evil
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
As for banning #tiktok being "suppressing activism": tiktok's major stake holder is #JeffYass who funded tiktok initially. He takes that money and is *the largest* #GOP donor, and gives to #rightwing thinktanks in #Israel warping the judiciary to protect #Netanyahu
So these genius fucking activists on tiktok are funding what they are fighting, and are spied on by their enemy: complete morons with no fucking clue
Fuck. #Tiktok
Period
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
That's a great observation but very nebulous. More concrete: fuck tiktok and who gives a fuck if something good is not perfect
Arlo Godfrey
@benroyce @paparatti Not nebulous, 2 million people were making a living on an app that got banned because it doesn't suppress activism as much as the platforms at home.
Of course they can't say that, so they ban or force a sale without a real described understanding of why they're afraid, other than "foreign scary". This isn't the NSA, these are legislatures that don't know how wifi works.
Meanwhile, other governments actually ARE in our phone systems and infrastructure. We need to fix THAT.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
What you just wrote is whataboutism
"Well we can't go after this criminal here because another criminals exists."
What?
I just don't understand it.
Of course we should also go after Facebook.
But why in a million years that should mean we don't go after Tiktok is just absolutely mystifying to me.
And guess what: the scalpel you refer to will never ever exist.
And why the bleep do you think this has anything to do with fear?
Arlo Godfrey
@benroyce @paparatti Who said don't go after TikTok? What standards have we lowered ourselves to that we can't even get comprehensive and well-informed laws proposed to begin with? The only bipartisanship we see IS driven by fear, but external and not internal. Partisanship leans further into greed and fear and hate every day, even if just takes the form of angry rants on the internet. We're better than this.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
"What standards have we lowered ourselves to that we can't even get comprehensive and well-informed laws proposed to begin with?"
The same standards that have always existed and always will exist. Laws are made like sausage: don't think too much about what goes into it and be thankful for anything you can get
"Just wait until we get perfect laws" is absolute nonsense. We will never get what you are asking for. You are standing in the way of good in the name of perfect
Arlo Godfrey
@benroyce @paparatti The entire system is already bloated to the core, waiting for things to play out and course correct in the long term is hurting everyday people the more we do it.
Arlo Godfrey
@benroyce @paparatti The ban was careless and shortsighted, doing absolutely nothing to protect Americans from American social media, who are equally invasive and are just going to sell the data to other governments anyway. People are going to rednote now to demonstrate their point, meta stock tumbles
That's what happens when let fear drive you and use a kitchen knife instead of a scalpel.
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