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   Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 18:02:14 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
   Does anyone know an IMPARTIAL and OBJECTIVE resource about the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict that is FAIR to the viewpoints of both sides but without sugarcoating anything?
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     LostInCalifornia (lostincalifornia@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 18:11:44 JST LostInCalifornia

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     @taylan You would probably have to read several to get an impartial view.

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     The Dread Slender Gnome (gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 18:48:29 JST The Dread Slender Gnome

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     @taylan Fair to the viewpoint of the islamists? Not sure what that would look like.

     But honestly, if you want the history of the conflict, you're in for a long read, since you'd really have to go back pretty damn far to get a proper view. Including what happened to Jews under Romans (that laid the scene, even though it happened before the Arab conquest) and then obviously the Arab imperial project during the Arab conquest. Even the fall of the Ottoman empire is a relatively recent development in this particular story. The good news is, the further back in time you go, the more likely you're to get neutral commentary that just focuses on the events and doesn't bring things like religious ideology in the mix.

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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 18:49:20 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     @Gnomeshatecheese Fair to the viewpoint of people who were displaced when the British decided that Israel would be built there, or something like that.
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     The Dread Slender Gnome (gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 21:40:09 JST The Dread Slender Gnome

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     @taylan Well... like I said, I think that if you start from that point in time, you're already missing a lot.

     Although, from what I've heard, it was in fact the surrounding Arab nations which ordered the local Arabs to leave. Those who stayed (because not everyone obeyed the order), apparently became what now is the Arab population of Israel.

     Still, that's not the point in time I'd start at, because even the situation with the British Mandate is rooted in what happened before that, and that's rooted in what happened before and so on and so on.
     And I don't think you can divorce the movements of the Arab populations from islamism, or in earlier days, the Arab conquest.

     I used to think I could look at what happened in the 1900s and "get" what the conflict was about, but that just led me into a dead end. The mess didn't really start to make sense, until I went way back in history to the preceding centuries.

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