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   mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 04:38:24 JST mcc

   • Daniel Supernault
   • loops

   @dansup Hi! I have a question about @loops . I'm reading the TOS and have concerns about section 7, "Contribution License". It gives a very broad license, which is normal for social media, but what I can't tell is whether the license *terminates* when content/accounts are deleted. §7 says the license is "irrevocable", but §14 implies the entire license terminates on account deletion.

   I don't know why a social media site would need a copyright license that persists significantly past deletion.

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     Daniel Supernault (dansup@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 04:38:23 JST Daniel Supernault

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     @mcc hi, I used a terms of service generator for this, and plan to replace it with a more suitable policy when we can afford to hire a lawyer.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 04:38:24 JST mcc

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     • Daniel Supernault

     @dansup I ask this question because I'd *like* to be able to suggest Loops to people on the grounds of "the TikTok IP provisions are terrifying and bad for you, use this open alternative instead" but from the TOS I (not a lawyer) can't tell if that's actually true.

     (For comparison, YouTube and Facebook/Instagram both relinquish IP rights in a "reasonable" amount of time after deletion; TikTok doesn't; Twitter is ambiguous and Tumblr is complicated. Permanent *and* unlimited licenses are rare.)

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 04:41:16 JST mcc

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     • Daniel Supernault

     @dansup Thanks for answering. That sounds pretty reasonable, especially for a beta.

     I will say, I have been considering making video content for Loops, but I will not be doing so if I am granting a permanent commercial license which I could imagine being reused in non-social-media settings without me having a means of stopping it. (I trust you not to do anything! But I can forsee futures where for example the Loops assets get sold to another company who I trust less.) I get paranoid *_*

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 04:56:39 JST mcc

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     • Daniel Supernault
     • Andreas 'count' Kotes

     @count @dansup Two TOSes I believe do a good job here are YouTube and Facebook. Neither guarantee "immediate deletion of all user content" on account termination/content deletion—but no one would ask them to, that's a straw man. Both services find reasonable wordings that protect both the user and the company.

     See, YouTube license: https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#27dc3bf5d9 Short, simple, reasonable.

     Facebook license: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms/preview/?section_id=section_3 Pleasantly detailed, but possibly too rigid for a small site like Loops

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     Daniel Supernault (dansup@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 04:56:39 JST Daniel Supernault

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     • Andreas 'count' Kotes

     @mcc @count I'm going to swap out the ToS with the one from pixelfed.social after I'm off work!

     https://pixelfed.social/site/terms

     And once we have enough funds, I'll get a lawyer to review and rewrite it if needed.

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     Andreas 'count' Kotes (count@berlin.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 04:56:40 JST Andreas 'count' Kotes

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     • Daniel Supernault

     @mcc @dansup immediately deleting all user content - including that in backups - on contract termination is also very hard, technically.

     being allowed to still have it while not ever using or handing it out again is a cheap legal shortcut quite a few companies take.