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   Litherum (litherum@masto.ai)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:56:19 JST Litherum

   (By the way, Mastodon doesn’t do fact checking *either*)

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:56:14 JST Rich Felker

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     @litherum That's not the issue at all. "Fact checking" is useless pandering to bothsidesism. They've been trying to get the press to frame the change as "stopping fact checking" but the actual change is that, not only have they dropped rules against hate speech, but the policy announcement document contains explicit, vile examples of hate speech they now allow, as a tutorial for how to structure your hate speech and ensure you don't get moderated/banned.

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     Litherum (litherum@masto.ai)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:56:18 JST Litherum

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     I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t understand the logic of “Facebook doesn’t do fact checking any more so I’m going to delete my Facebook account and use Mastodon instead”

     I mean, obviously, I don’t *prefer* that people use Facebook. I just don’t understand the above logic.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:57:09 JST Rich Felker

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     • Kai Ninomiya

     @litherum @kainino0x @stilescrisis You get banned. Or if you're on an instance that considers that ok, your whole instance gets banned from most of the rest of the fediverse.

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     Litherum (litherum@masto.ai)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:57:10 JST Litherum

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     • Rich Felker
     • stilescrisis
     • Kai Ninomiya

     @kainino0x @stilescrisis @dalias

     What happens on Mastodon if someone says these things?

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     Kai Ninomiya (kainino0x@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:57:11 JST Kai Ninomiya

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     • stilescrisis

     @stilescrisis @litherum definitely this, but I think it hasn't been talked about as much because the details of that have been intentionally harder to come by. https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/113801880491394036

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     stilescrisis (stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:57:12 JST stilescrisis

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     @litherum I think the real concern is that they now condone hate speech.

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     Litherum (litherum@masto.ai)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:57:13 JST Litherum

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     I guess if you, like, researched all the public mastodon server and, like, picked one with strict moderation rules, and, like didn’t follow anyone who wasn’t on that server, then I guess you’d have fact checking, or something?

     But, like, be serious now

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:58:22 JST Rich Felker

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     • stilescrisis
     • Kai Ninomiya

     @litherum @stilescrisis @kainino0x It is because getting banned loses all your followers & ability to migrate them.

     If you run your own abusive instance, it'll quickly get blocked by well-moderated instances.

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     Litherum (litherum@masto.ai)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:58:23 JST Litherum

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     • Rich Felker
     • stilescrisis
     • Kai Ninomiya

     @stilescrisis @kainino0x @dalias

     Well the admin of one’s own server isn’t really an effective deterrent, because the hateful people can run their own server or whatever

     I suppose the admin of *other* servers would ban the hateful posts from appearing to anyone on *their* server

     Which means I guess it’s up to the users themselves to create their account on server with an admin that would do so

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     stilescrisis (stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 12:58:25 JST stilescrisis

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     • Rich Felker
     • Kai Ninomiya

     @litherum @kainino0x @dalias Admins tend to ban you?