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   silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 00:24:46 JST silverpill

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   • In #Flancia we'll meet
   • Renaud Chaput
   • Julian Fietkau

   @julian @flancian @renchap Yes, the primary reason why full migration is not implemented is because it is very difficult to do (the solution I proposed is FEP-ef61; it probably needs at least a couple of years to mature before Mastodon can implement it). However, in some cases interactions don't need to be preserved, and various tools for working with Mastodon archives exist, for example https://posty.1sland.social/

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     Julian Fietkau (julian@fietkau.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 00:24:48 JST Julian Fietkau

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     • Renaud Chaput

     @flancian There are also protocol-related concerns. Setting up copies of existing Mastodon posts on a different server changes their ActivityPub IDs, so past interactions would get lost. So you can't meaningfully "move" posts - that would require them to have decentralized IDs, something that @silverpill does work on.

     I'm with you that copying post content should be part of account migrations though. @renchap once mentioned that Mastodon wants that too, it's just not urgently prioritized.

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     In #Flancia we'll meet (flancian@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 00:24:49 JST In #Flancia we'll meet

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     I may be missing something, of course, as is very often the case :) And I like that some devs and instance owners prefer staying on the ultra safe side of things, because some people and communities do need that kind of protection.

     But until I hear of further reasons to enforce this restrictive policy on the whole Fediverse, I'm calling this approach [[fear driven development]].

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     In #Flancia we'll meet (flancian@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 00:24:50 JST In #Flancia we'll meet

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     To expand: the concern from some instance admins (who?) is that people could have e.g. racist or otherwise problematic posts deep in their history, and those would be 'grandparented in' with little scrutiny.

     I don't quite get 1. why the normal flow of people eventually seeing those and reporting them is not good enough and 2. why it is suddenly OK for good actors not to be able to perform basic reasonable actions in systems because bad actors might abuse them.

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     In #Flancia we'll meet (flancian@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 00:24:51 JST In #Flancia we'll meet

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     Scared of old posts, I mean. The concern seems to be 'what if some of the old posts are bad'.

     Well what if they aren't, I say. I'd rather be able to work within a sphere of high trust if every party involved agrees to do that, and deal with exceptions.

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     In #Flancia we'll meet (flancian@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 00:24:52 JST In #Flancia we'll meet

     I looked recently into the question 'why does account migration in the Fediverse not port over posts, only followers'.

     The answer, idiosyncratically summarized, seems to be: because people are scared.