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    Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 11:18:03 JST Mastodon Migration Mastodon Migration

    Did you see the story about how Google's Waymo robot cars in San Francisco have been intentionally programmed to break the law by driving through occupied crosswalks.

    https://archive.ph/K1KK5

    Apparently these monstrosities were taking too long to get where they were going so company decided to unleash them from following motor vehicle laws.

    And it seems nothing can be done about it. Presumably SFPD could write a ticket, but without personal liability, traffic citations are no deterrent.

    In conversation about a year ago from mastodon.online permalink
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      Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 11:18:02 JST Mastodon Migration Mastodon Migration
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      • Sue is Writing Solarpunk 🌞🌱

      @susankayequinn

      So, what happens when one of these things runs over a kid in a crosswalk?

      Who goes to prison?

      Is it the programmer who wrote the code to break the law?

      Is it the manager that told the programmer to make the damn things faster even it it means breaking the law?

      Is it the CEO who demanded they make robot cars profitable, and didn't insist on staying within the law to do so?

      If no one goes to prison, killing kids just becomes a cost/benefit equation.

      In conversation about a year ago permalink
      Rich Felker repeated this.
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      Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 11:18:02 JST Mastodon Migration Mastodon Migration
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      • Sue is Writing Solarpunk 🌞🌱

      @susankayequinn

      Let's toss out another hypothetical.

      Somehow a citation is issued to a Waymo robot car that breaks the law by driving through an occupied crosswalk.

      Who pays ticket?

      Who gets the points on their license?

      Who has to go to traffic school?

      The cost of the ticket is nothing to the trillion dollar company, and if no one suffers any personal consequence, there is no effective deterrence at all.

      In conversation about a year ago permalink
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      Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 11:18:03 JST Mastodon Migration Mastodon Migration
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      • Sue is Writing Solarpunk 🌞🌱

      Hat tip to @susankayequinn for flagging this story last night:

      https://wandering.shop/@susankayequinn/113742274870858584

      In conversation about a year ago permalink
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      Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 11:19:57 JST Rich Felker Rich Felker
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      • Sue is Writing Solarpunk 🌞🌱

      @mastodonmigration @susankayequinn Court orders CEO to make them stop, impounds every vehicle caught doing it, jails CEO for contempt when he doesn't.

      In conversation about a year ago permalink
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      Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 11:21:17 JST Adrianna Tan Adrianna Tan
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      @mastodonmigration SFPD doesn’t do they for human drivers who do this, which is sadly 100% of the time they are also in the crosswalk

      In conversation about a year ago permalink
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      Miss Gayle (missgayle@urbanists.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 13:35:41 JST Miss Gayle Miss Gayle
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      • Rich Felker
      • Sue is Writing Solarpunk 🌞🌱

      @dalias @mastodonmigration @susankayequinn

      Cities could pass ordinances prohibiting programming any vehicle to break the law, including speed limits, and impound all unmanned vehicles that do so - by whatever means (damages the vehicle? Too bad.) Someone would have to personally come pay the fines to get it out of impound, and that someone would have to sign a contract of *personal* liability for the vehicle's actions to get it released.

      Problem solved.

      In conversation about a year ago permalink

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