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   Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her) (susankayequinn@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2024 23:44:56 JST Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

   Company execs everywhere are so enthusiastic about AI because they profit from the erasure of moral/legal responsibility that AI provides as a service.

   Start sending CEOs to jail for the shit their "AI" does and we'll start to see responsible use (maybe).

   (None of which erases the fact that most gen-AI is made of industrial theft and crimes to begin with)

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     Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2024 23:46:33 JST Børge

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     • Benjamin Ross

     @BenRossTransit ^

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 01:45:45 JST Mastodon Migration

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     This should be really simple. An SFPD officer should stop the damn thing and give it a ticket. If the operator gets too many tickets it's license should be revoked. There should be personal liability for anyone that programs a machine to break the law. Government must protect society from this menace.

     Edit: To be clear, the point of this SFPD Waymo traffic stop example is to highlight the absurdity of permitting robot cars that intentionally break laws to operate on the road.

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     Coach Pāṇini ® (paninid@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 01:45:48 JST Coach Pāṇini ®

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     @mastodonmigration @susankayequinn

     Not an original suggestion, but impounding is an option on the table.

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     Local Agency (laprice@beige.party)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 01:46:23 JST Local Agency

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     • Coach Pāṇini ®

     @susankayequinn @paninid @mastodonmigration spike strips on up to forklifts and signal interception.

     Disabling a robot car gone rogue is not the hard problem; holding the people who caused it to be built and intentionally programmed it to violate safety regulations is.

     Because in our society at present; wealth is the grand exemption from responsibility.

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     Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her) (susankayequinn@wandering.shop)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 01:46:24 JST Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

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     @paninid @mastodonmigration

     I really do wonder what physical mechanisms exist to STOP the waymos. Like physically. You can't impound a car you have zero control over. You can't do anything to a car you have zero control over. Ostensibly locus of control exists somewhere, but I very much wonder what that causal chain of events looks like. And at what point we erase legal liability.

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 01:49:07 JST Mastodon Migration

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     @susankayequinn @paninid

     Absolutely, at this point it seems robots effectively shield their owners from personal liability for their actions.

     The very real situation exists that a robot cars could be programmed to intentionally kill people and it is not clear where any personally liability would rest. As you say, this is already happening. The same is true for AIs run amok giving out false and dangerous information.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 01:49:07 JST Rich Felker

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     • Coach Pāṇini ®

     @mastodonmigration @susankayequinn @paninid Guess someone should try this with CEOs... 🤔

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     Dave Rahardja (drahardja@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 06:24:07 JST Dave Rahardja

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     @susankayequinn Updated for 2024:

     AI CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE

     　　　　　　THEREFORE

     　　THEIR OPERATORS MUST BE
     　　　HELD ACCOUNTABLE
     　　　 FOR THEIR ACTIONS