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   Joachim (joachim@boitam.eu)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 00:52:18 JST Joachim

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   @deivudesu I was aiming for the Doors for musical reasons, but the toxicity and influence of the Stones would make their cancelling way better for the whole rock and roll genre.

   (also my ex is a huge Stones fan, ha!)

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     Joachim (joachim@boitam.eu)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 01:14:58 JST Joachim

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     @deivudesu I’m ready for the Stones bashing but I’ve only recently stared to learn how counter-revolutionary the Beatles were (talking about Revolution, “But when you talk about destruction, Don’t you know that you can count me ~~in~~ out?”). Paul’s naïveté in Eleanor Rigby was what started opening my eyes, but the vaguely leftist feel good vibe is hard to shake, I guess

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     デイヴ (deivudesu@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 01:14:59 JST デイヴ

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     @joachim Real talk: this one is really between the Stones and the Beatles.

     IMHO, the Beatles played a non-insignificant role in normalising reactionary bourgeois values for an entire generation.

     Meanwhile, well, every other Stones song can be summarised as "Girls are stupid and I have lots of mummy issues".

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     デイヴ (deivudesu@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 01:28:14 JST デイヴ

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     @joachim I mean… they literally had a hit about paying too much taxes. 🤷

     Not a throwaway lyric in a song or some mention of taxes: an entire song complaining that they pay too much taxes. 🙃

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     Joachim (joachim@boitam.eu)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 01:28:14 JST Joachim

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     @deivudesu I know, I know. It’s not my native language so it’s not as egregiously bad as right-wingers vibing with RATM.

     (And well, fighting the tax man was not special to the Beatles)

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     デイヴ (deivudesu@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 01:36:58 JST デイヴ

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     @joachim Kinda curious who else you have in mind? 🤔

     I think lots of songs over the years may complain about *use of taxes* (esp for war, policing and whatnot). But being against the concept of taxes as a whole (especially from the position of people who've done quite well for themselves and are pissed about giving back), seems very specific to that song. At least as far as I can think right now.

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     Joachim (joachim@boitam.eu)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 01:36:58 JST Joachim

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     @deivudesu I might be mistaken but I thought that the Stones living in the south of France was a way to avoid taxes?

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     デイヴ (deivudesu@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 02:07:11 JST デイヴ

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     @joachim I think for the sake of this discussion, we need to limit ourselves to the artistic *output* of these bands. Otherwise we can spend many eternities discussing (real or alleged) shite behaviour of all these people… 😁

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     Joachim (joachim@boitam.eu)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 02:07:11 JST Joachim

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     @deivudesu I mean, would an interview on film be considered an *output*?

     https://medium.com/hypeline-news/the-rolling-stones-taxes-4c4e90e3cf0b#:~:text=under%20the%20Labour%20government%20of%20Wilson%20was%2093%%20if%20you%20earned%20a%20million%20quid
     (though I don’t condone the overall message of the article)

     As an *artistic* output, we could argue that naming their subsequent album “Exile on Main St.” could be linked to their refusal to pay taxes.

     If it can’t be counted, let’s turn to the Kinks:

     “The tax man’s taken all my dough
     And left me in my stately home
     Lazin’ on a sunny afternoon”
     The Kinks, Sunny Afternoon (1967)

     or the Yardbirds

     “Taxman, rentman, they all chase me
     I ain’t home when they come round”
     The Yardbirds, I Can’t Make Your Way (1966)

     What I mean is, the Beatles might have paved the way but they were not alone in their resentment :)

     (and I’m not defending their stance or their ideas, I’m just googling to support something I said on the Internet)