@paul @QasimRashid Nixon, a republican enacted for-profit medicine in the USA, 1970ish. Capitalism is the problem that includes a misconception that it serves the masses. It Does Not. it is cannibalistic because there are too many humans, who want max profits at the expense of others
Btw, if anyone in this conversation failed to vote for Harris because of a single issue: Gaza, then you deserve the coming pain of another Trump presidency debacle.
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Huntn00 (huntn00@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:12:54 JST Huntn00 -
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☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:12:52 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ @Impish4249 @Huntn00 @paul @QasimRashid
That depends on what you mean by "that bad." Limited capitalism is not "that bad" compared to unregulated capitalism, but it is "that bad" when compared to socialism, a system where the working class, the majority of society, has control and ownership over the means of production that they use to create the products of society and are able to collectively keep all of the fruits of their labor.
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Impish4249 (impish4249@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:12:53 JST Impish4249 I can make a good argument that greed, rather than Regan, brought down the USSR.
If I remember correctly (and if I was taught the truth🤔) Orwell's #1984 was about #communism but I think, in light of the present, that the moral applies equally to any society led by elitists.
I don't think limited #capitalism (with #publicsafety, #corrections, #masstransit, #education & #healthcare excluded) is that bad.
I think it's the greed & arrogance that bring the fall of all
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☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:22:18 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ @Huntn00 @Impish4249 @paul @QasimRashid
"Capitalism can only work if it is muzzled?" Work at what? If by "muzzled capitalism" you're referring to regulated capitalism, capitalism under regulations would still exploit workers, so it wouldn't work for them, that is, if the elimination of exploitation of the working class is the goal.
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Huntn00 (huntn00@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:22:20 JST Huntn00 @Impish4249 @paul @QasimRashid I’ve said often that Capitalism can only work if it is muzzled, that it’s excesses are capped, that the excess ‘profits’ are plowed back into society for health and stability. With the New Deal, the guard rails only held briefly, sliding backwards ever since.
The problem, we are selfish, not like minded, we take from others for personal advantage, easily corrupted and will allow Capitalism’s excesses to destroy us. -
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Impish4249 (impish4249@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:24:15 JST Impish4249 @Radical_EgoCom @Huntn00 @paul @QasimRashid
I think #socialism is a great ideal, but part of making a sea change in a country with the current #education level of the USA is working toward the possible. There are millions of poisoned minds here that are convinced that socialism == #totalitarianism, to gain traction we need to start with something comparatively simple. If the #USA could achieve #universalhealthcare in my lifetime without a massive letting of blood that would be miraculous.
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☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 02:39:02 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ @Impish4249 @Huntn00 @paul @QasimRashid
The goal, for me, is socialism, not capitalist reforms. As good as a universal healthcare reform would be for America (and I wouldn't be upset if America developed a universal healthcare reform), the focus for the achievement of socialism should be the abolition of capitalism, not trying to reform capitalism in an attempt to make it better.
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☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 03:22:39 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ @Huntn00 @Impish4249 @paul @QasimRashid
Regulated capitalism still exploits workers through the extraction of surplus and the alienation of workers from the products they produce. There's no reason to "make capitalism work" when doing so still exploits workers.
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Huntn00 (huntn00@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 03:22:40 JST Huntn00 @Impish4249 @paul @QasimRashid For capitalism to work, it must be heavily regulated with a socialist mindset otherwise it becomes cannibalistic, destructive, and will lead to a breakdown. For profit medicine is a prime example of a breakdown in progress. Bankruptcy based on lost jobs. Social Security on the verge of collapse. Capitalism and incessant seeking of max profits for ‘self’ is the culprit. 2/2
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Huntn00 (huntn00@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 03:22:41 JST Huntn00 @Impish4249 @paul @QasimRashid Agreed that any system corrupted, is garbage, the official label can’t be applied. Here’s the thing about Capitalism, the “accruing of capital”. This can be good or very bad, but inherently it’s about individuals through hard work and effort accruing wealth for ‘themselves’. Beyond its purview is the health of society, unlike socialism which in theory is all about group dynamics and health, a different emphasis. 1/2
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Impish4249 (impish4249@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 03:22:42 JST Impish4249 I would loop back to any excesses of greed, even greed for power, will undo any political or economic system which is why I am less interested in economic classifications and more on concepts of #education, #universalhealthcare, healthy #civilsociety, and so on. Am I futilely trying to boil the ocean again? <SIGH> Probably....
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