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   JA Westenberg (daojoan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:00:35 JST JA Westenberg

   No device - console, phone, laptop, tablet, anything - should be sold with less than 128gb of storage. 64gb is not acceptable. It’s almost anti consumer, and it only exists so that companies can say “Prices start at…”

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:02:56 JST Rich Felker

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     @Daojoan They could say "prices start at" basically the same even without that. They're not saving money & passing that on to the consumer with ridiculously undersized storage. They're making an excuse to jack up the price on the one with acceptable storage by 10x the cost of the difference.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:04:17 JST Rich Felker

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     • J$

     @js @Daojoan You can't when the builtin photos app makes files 50x as large as they should be, and always records a video clip, so you fill up what should be plenty in under a month.

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     J$ (js@mastodon.nl)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:04:19 JST J$

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     @Daojoan #degrowth dictates otherwise. We really need to start doing way less with even way more less.

     My fave pet remark: we flew to the moon with less than 4K, and remember the root DNS servers of yore? Well, we’ve been doing way less with much more resource spillage. Let’s reverse that trend, and try to break out of this death spiral.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:14:32 JST Rich Felker

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     • J$

     @js @Daojoan "If everyone would just..." is NOT A SOLUTION to anything.

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     J$ (js@mastodon.nl)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:14:33 JST J$

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     • Rich Felker

     @dalias @Daojoan The solution for that is easy. Things need to #degrowth the shit out of themselves all the way.

     Which means, we need to stop pixing every shit we take. And if we do, a crappy-rezzed still is all we need. And the crappyrez should further disincentivize us away from the currently fashionable ultratechnonarcissism (that’s killing us).

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:32:51 JST Rich Felker

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     • J$

     @js @Daojoan Large digital storage media aren't what's burning the world. Devices that have to be replaced because you can't add storage to them kinda are, though.

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     J$ (js@mastodon.nl)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:32:52 JST J$

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     • Rich Felker

     @dalias @Daojoan That’s why we need to fix the tech. And actually, limiting the maximum storage would be a GREAT way to put a limit to a lot of resource-wasteful practices.

     People actually WOULD need to stop and think twice about using up resources if these resources would (to them) be as precious and scarce as they, well, actually really are (given that we have but one world to burn).

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:40:38 JST Rich Felker

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     @js @Daojoan No amount of digital storage for personal use can "use up" the world. As the storage volume gets larger, the material mass and manufacturing cost (which reflects material and energy usage) tends down. This won't go on forever, but "people are storing too many pictures of their kids" or "oh noes people are storing offline backups of wikipedia" are NOT ACTUAL PROBLEMS THE WORLD FACES.

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     J$ (js@mastodon.nl)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:40:39 JST J$

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     • Rich Felker

     @dalias @Daojoan I think you’re missing the #degrowth point. You don't need to store all that stuff. And if you actually can’t, that limit is a bit clearer.

     The bad thing here is that you actually *can* buy devices that keep up the pretence of infinite, boundless growth. Like I said: one world, and that’s it. We’ve already used it up. Now what? Use it up even more?

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:56:47 JST Rich Felker

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     • J$

     @js @Daojoan You really don't understand the stuff involved. Yes, replacing devices every year because you need bigger storage has resource costs. OTOH the marginal resource costs of a 512 GB SD card vs a 64 GB SD card are basicaly zilch. Storage size does not translate to resource consumption in any direct way.

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     J$ (js@mastodon.nl)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 21:56:49 JST J$

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     @dalias @Daojoan It’s not a “cost” thing. It’s an actual resource scarcity thing. Including, by the way, energy. Storage is rare earth metals, minerals, and energy.

     You’re right, “this won’t go on forever”. It didn’t; we’re now burning up 1.7 of earth’s yearly resources every year. This year, Earth Overshoot Day? August, 1.

     And no, it’s not just “storage”. It’s unbridled growth (the idea of—) anyywhere. And that’s why #degrowth is a necessity. Everywhere.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 22:04:47 JST Rich Felker

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     • J$

     @js @Daojoan Well yes. But that's very different from "people shouldn't store stuff". We don't need devices that are designed to be replaced in order for people to be able to store all the data they want.

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     J$ (js@mastodon.nl)'s status on Friday, 06-Dec-2024 22:04:48 JST J$

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     • Rich Felker

     @dalias @Daojoan I’m really not saying devices should be replaced. I actually think we need to stop manufacturing them. In a big way.