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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:29:33 JST Fish of Rage
   Is programming in an immutable data structure functional message passing programming language just masturbation?
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:30:43 JST Fish of Rage

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     Frequently coercing code into this makes it less readable and undoubtedly introduces bugs.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:34:07 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Maija
     @maija I find that I am spending so much time massaging code and I feel like it's missing the point. Like I am trying to find the cleanest way to represent what I'm doing through constant refinement. Instead of just writing code that does stuff.
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     Maija (maija@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:34:08 JST Maija

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     @sun in some cases yes but it makes sense in some models imho
     keep track of state more easily i suppose
     but those who do this for local or nonserver code confuse me
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:34:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @sun masturbation is supposed to feel good, no?
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     mall0ry　苦レモン (mute_city@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:38:26 JST mall0ry　苦レモン

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     @sun If your code is such that you can just look at it and see the shape of the correctness proof by induction you are doing it correctly.
     
     What i have seen a lot in erlang though is people abusing processes to keep writing OO-style just with weird syntax.
     That's probably the masturbation you refer to?
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:39:49 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @sun I'd say that's mostly due to the functional part, at least I hate the lack of things like early return in Elixir.
     
     immutable + message passing is fine for network services, although can get some time to get used to.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:40:16 JST Fish of Rage

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     @maija It may just be my inexperience but I find I write code and then the next day I realize I could do it neater and I rewrite it, then repeat a few more times until I've got diamond code. Even then I feel like the work is about making the language happy.
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     Maija (maija@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:40:17 JST Maija

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     @sun yeah i've had the same issues. the code can be a mess but relatively easier to track state and avoid major bugs in my experience
     although this may be reflective of my mind naturally being more in tune with networked code than anything simpler, it feels like a natural extension of those coding practices until you need to do a lot of processing on a single node then it spirals out into a mess
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:42:40 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan It may be that I am just not used to learning something new and having to take a few years to master it.
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:45:56 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @sun what i love about assembly programming is you can obsess over a handful of lines for days exploring not merely the fastest but also all the different equally elegant solutions :3 it's beautiful
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:45:59 JST Fish of Rage

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     @lucy I miss doing it.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:47:01 JST Fish of Rage

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     @lucy I wanna make an NES game for fun
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:48:48 JST snacks

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     @lucy @sun the stupid menial shit you have to do and constant rewriting because they want some stupid feature that's annoying to implement ruins it. Suckless is right, total minimalism jihad
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:48:49 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @sun i wish someone would pay me for it but maybe that'd ruin the fun of it
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:49:42 JST Fish of Rage

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     @lucy it would
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:50:12 JST snacks

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     @lucy @sun and deadlines :mokouDead:
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 21:53:31 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @snacks @sun get a job at a military supplier. they have no real deadlines.
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     munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2024 00:53:22 JST munir

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     @sun i love your new pfp a lot, also are you still sick? :02_heart:
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2024 01:40:45 JST Fish of Rage

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     @munir I need to switch it, I feel not-sick today.
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     munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2024 02:58:24 JST munir

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     @sun That's great to hear!
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