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   Jon S. von Tetzchner (jon@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 04:58:56 JST Jon S. von Tetzchner

   When I talk about the importance of going all in on the Fediverse, I speak based on experience.

   At Opera we built a massive user community. When I quit, we had something like 35 million registered users and 35 million monthly visitors.

   The new Opera management did not see the value of that. They believed it was cheaper and better to just use Facebook and that investing in your own community was a waste of money. So they closed down MyOpera and built a following on Facebook and Twitter instead. Then they got caught by the bait and switch when Facebook changed and you would no longer reach your audience, without paying. Later on Twitter changed as well.

   This is important to explain to companies and institutions as they go shopping for social media sites to invest in. The best investment is clearly in your own site, being part of the Fediverse. It is not even all that expensive to do. It may take longer to build, but at least it is your own.

   Not saying you cannot build a following on those other sites, but your long term strategy should be the Fediverse with your own server.

   We try to lead the way here and thus we build Vivaldi Social. Not just for our selves, but to make a point and support the Fediverse.

   #fediverse #Mastodon #Twitter #Threads #BlueSky #Vivaldi

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:07:05 JST Kari'boka

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     • Mozilla
     Watch and learn @mozilla @mozilla
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     Hotspur🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦 (vagrarian@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:07:14 JST Hotspur🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦

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     @jon You're providing a strong example to the world. If they don't follow, that's their problem.

     "Building new" should apply to more than things you can easily monetize.

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     Albert Cuesta :verified: (albertcuesta@mastodont.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:07:24 JST Albert Cuesta :verified:

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     @jon Absolutely, Jon. We talked about it a while ago at the MWC in Barcelona.

     I've been trying to explain this to many companies and media. But they are moving in flocks to Bluesky, which may well end up as another X.

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     Dave MacFarlane (driusan@doomscroller.social)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:07:37 JST Dave MacFarlane

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     @albertcuesta@mastodont.cat @jon@social.vivaldi.net It will almost certainly become another X, the only question is on what time frame.

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     Blaise Pabón (blaise@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:07:58 JST Blaise Pabón

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     @jon I have become a big fan of @Discourse over the past decade. It's not for every use case, but for building communities, it beats all of the walled gardens AND it works well with the #posse strategy (Post Once, Simply Syndicate Everywhere)

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     GhostOnTheHalfShell (ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:08:09 JST GhostOnTheHalfShell

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     @jon

     You may want to chase down @pluralistic post related to this topic from a few weeks ago explaining why he would never join blue sky.

     Earlier this year, BBC labs reported on their experience with their own mastodon server. I commented on their experience in the following video. The description has links to all the relevant articles if you’re at all interested. When you surrender access to your audience through a second party, you become dependent on them, utterly.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzZDxYjR5oQ

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     Oblomov (oblomov@sociale.network)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:08:29 JST Oblomov

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     @jon imagine ActivityPub had happened before/during Opera Unite.

     (I wrote about it some time ago, this <http://wok.oblomov.eu/tecnologia/opera-requiem-3/> may be interesting for you —beware of typos though ;-))

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     Nicole Parsons (npars01@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:12:46 JST Nicole Parsons

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     @jon

     Rent-seeking middleware can always be used to extort concessions and hijack your user base of customers & vendors

     1. Apple & Spotify - rent seeking middlemen between musicians & music lovers

     https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-08-15-private-law-thirty-percent-vig-9013b8531a6b

     2. Health insurance - rent-seeking between health care providers and patients
     https://pnhp.org/news/the-economist-rent-seeking-in-americas-health-care-system/

     3. RealPage - Rent-seeking between landlords & tenants

     https://brianlovin.com/hn/34926683

     4. Search engines

     https://pluralistic.net/2023/11/03/subprime-attention-rent-crisis/#euthanize-rentiers

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     foo ✅ (slashdottir@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:14:35 JST foo ✅

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     @jon It's all about short term results, making number go up for this quarter. Long term thinking has been abandoned. It is an American business mental illness

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     🇵🇸 Panino, o Moço 🇮🇷 (paninodesu@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:14:40 JST 🇵🇸 Panino, o Moço 🇮🇷

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     @jon oh, the tragedy... I had a little blog there and Opera Mail was my main mail service! It hurt to lose all that.

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     Jon S. von Tetzchner (jon@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 06:19:00 JST Jon S. von Tetzchner

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     We have to keep pushing. Clearly they should have be learning something on the way. It is not only Facebook and Twitter. There is a lot of other social media companies that are no longer there. It is best to invest in your own, interconnected site.

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     ErosBlog Bacchus (erosblog@kinkyelephant.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 09:04:01 JST ErosBlog Bacchus

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     • GhostOnTheHalfShell

     @GhostOnTheHalfShell @jon @pluralistic

     I am struck by the sudden realization that Bacchus's First Rule (which I had come to view as increasingly obsolete in the social media age) remains fully operative, inasmuch as "your own server that you control" can now be, or include, a fully-federated social media presence.

     https://www.erosblog.com/2013/06/11/bacchus-first-rule-of-the-internet/

     #BacchusFirstRule

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     ErosBlog Bacchus (erosblog@kinkyelephant.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 09:46:04 JST ErosBlog Bacchus

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     • GhostOnTheHalfShell

     @GhostOnTheHalfShell @jon @pluralistic

     See also: Never Build Your House On Someone Else's Land

     https://www.erosblog.com/2022/02/07/someone-elses-land/

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     II_ARROWS (ii_arrows@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 10:16:59 JST II_ARROWS

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     • Kari'boka

     @kariboka @mozilla@mastodon.social @mozilla@mozilla.social @jon Mozilla is failing on their own, sadly. The only truly open browser engine has been in decline since Google entered the market with their deception to make people install Chrome only because they happened to search something.

     They have nothing to learn from this, because it's not like the fediverse is really gaining traction, quite the opposite.

     I would argue the fediverse needs to learn from Mozilla history.

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     Mohit Sindhwani (onghu@ruby.social)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 20:21:31 JST Mohit Sindhwani

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     @ErosBlog @GhostOnTheHalfShell @jon @pluralistic

     Second rule: Google has most of my email anyway since it has all of yours.
     https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/google-has-most-of-my-email-because-it-has-all-of-yours