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   AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 04:41:23 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

   I just don't get why folks are so keen on talking with me about having less babies when I'm talking about "why the world is burning," and WHICH people the Malthusians mean when they say "there's too many humans." Some of you make valid points about economic pressures and marginalization, but you're still basically conceding that "overpopulation" is the problem when literally, demonstrably, it is not. Capitalist activity is burning the planet. It's the damn oil, not people.

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 04:43:00 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     So I mean yeah, when economic conditions improve in the developing world because we stop plundering and exploiting everyone who doesn't look like us and can't defend themselves from Tomahawk missiles, it's likely that birth rates in those places will stabilize. That's all well and good; but it's literally got sweet fuck all to do with climate crisis so I don't get why you're responding to my posts about climate crisis, why Malthusians are evil, and ending capitalism, with this information?

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 04:46:11 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     A lot of you seem to approach this from "even if the Malthusians were right, they're going about it all wrong" and literally, the Malthusians are not right. The unspoken line in their propaganda is always "if we keep capitalism" and we absolutely cannot and should not do that. When they say "too many people' they mean killing billions of non-white, non-western, non-imperial core people so "we can keep doing capitalism."

     They are not right, or sincere, so who cares if their "solutions" suck too?

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 04:50:30 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     In a lot of ways what you're doing, quite unintentionally as far as I can tell, is helping to REFINE Malthusian propaganda that demonstrably exists to protect the capitalist order and (mostly white) Western supremacy.

     Furthermore it doesn't work because capitalism itself depends on creating desperate, defenseless, and insecure people to exploit; capitalism doesn't create wealth it merely loots it from one place to another.

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 04:52:18 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     So they're not going to agree with you about better ways to control populations because that is not their purpose; their purpose is protecting capitalism and their PURPOSE requires those very same conditions you're talking about addressing to reduce population growth.

     You're assuming a sincerity where it does not exist, and doing their messaging work for them; once we all agree that the PROBLEM is "too many people" the debate then becomes about how to address it - and you will lose that debate.

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 05:00:52 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     Once you've accepted "too many people" is the problem, they will turn to your neighbors and say "X billions gotta go, do you want it to be your families or the global underclass we've spent 500 years teaching you to hate?"

     And your neighbors will say "well it can't be ME and MINE, so I guess it's gotta be the global underclass." So you end up literally selling the genocide for the people wanted to do genocides to keep doing capitalism; unwittingly to be sure, but the effect is the same.

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 05:04:41 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     Furthermore as those ppl, the most marginalized folks on earth in the places already most plundered by capitalism are being slaughtered the capitalist order will simply create a new underclass to exploit because their way of life DEPENDS on that underclass existing and being exploited. This will go on until it's unsustainable and now there are "too many people" to keep doing capitalism on a boiling planet and the cycle will repeat.

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 05:04:59 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     So I don't get why folks who ain't nazi capitalists want to talk about this in my replies whenever I bring up the fact that capitalism is boiling the planet, Malthusians are lying to you to protect capital, and this is all going to result in genocides (plural). I simply don't understand why, given the consequences, THIS is what you want to talk about when I'm talking about saving the world and species by overthrowing capitalism?

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     estelle (estelle@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 05:25:39 JST estelle

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     @AnarchoNinaWrites i like watching the same group of people talk about both overpopulation and underpopulation depending on who the audience is

     (this is a joke. i do not in fact like watching this. but you have to find dark humor where you can sometimes)

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 05:33:31 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     Keeping in mind the fascist exception; everyone matters. Nobody deserves to die for the "greater good" (which is really just rich capitalists and the order that gives them power via wealth.) If our societies devoted our resources, creativity, and ingenuity to sustainably feeding 8B+ ppl instead of "make line go up" - the word "overpopulation" would cease to have meaning in a human context.

     The planet is on fire b/c of fossil fuels, and the capitalism that can't exist without them. Not "people."

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 05:37:00 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     Footnote: and what is the fascist exception? Simple:

     Solidarity, compassion, love, freedom, life, mutual aid, dignity, respect and comradery for everyone - except fascists. Because if you grant these to fascists, they will use them to take these same things away from others, destroy everything you love, and stack bodies so high into the sky they blot out the sun. At the point you decide to embrace dominance, eliminationism, and supremacy you turn in your "we" card and I DGAF what happens to you

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     Amro has been (amro@todon.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 06:40:17 JST Amro has been

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     @AnarchoNinaWrites We already produce enough food for everyone.
     But I'm getting mixed signals from the oligarchy; so there are to many people to keep running capitalism for their profit. While the planet burns. That's what the mathusians say.
     But the declining birth rate in the capitalist heartlands makes other billionaires whine that capitalism will collapse because there will be not enough workers to exploit.
     Is that just racism or am I not seeing something? ( I know the statistics about the UK and Italy where after mayor electoral victories by (extreme) right winged parties the number of immigrants increased).

     It just seems conflicting.

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     AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 07:32:18 JST AnarchoNinaWrites

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     @mcr314 It's really capitalism. Thanks and good day.

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     Michael Richardson (mcr314@todon.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 07:32:19 JST Michael Richardson

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     @AnarchoNinaWrites It is really capitalism that is the problem, or is it neoliberal "free" markets, with regulatory capture. I ask this in all ernestness: if you don't attack the right enemy, you won't win. [I think worker owned, consumer owner and producer owned collectives would behave equally poorly]

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