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   gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 09:46:19 JST gentoobro

   • Vegan Memes ⓥ

   So I take it you're pro-life? Or is that only for chickens?

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 09:47:40 JST Hyolobrika

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     @gentoobro @VeganMemes Correct response. But I could flip it on it's head.
     Are you pro-animal-life? Or do only human (fetuses) deserve life?
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 19:54:46 JST Hyolobrika

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     @gentoobro @VeganMemes kill yourself
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2024 19:54:47 JST gentoobro

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     Correct, only humans deserve life. Animals are resources for us to use as we need.

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 06:03:12 JST Hyolobrika

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     @gentoobro @VeganMemes retard
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 06:03:13 JST gentoobro

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     The anti-human reveals itself.

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 06:13:05 JST Hyolobrika

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     @gentoobro @VeganMemes
     >anti-human-supremacy == anti-human
     This is the kind of "logic" woketards use when they say that white people should feel constantly ashamed and flagellate themselves because slavery etc
     And the kind of "logic" far-rightoid whites use when they promote atrocities against nonwhites while simultaneously whining about anti-white racism
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 19:04:20 JST Hyolobrika

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     >It is anti-human to prioritize quality-of-life of animals at the expense of human lives.
     How was I doing that? Or do you mean gentoobro's interpretation of the OP?
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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 19:04:21 JST Gabe

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     I believe we should treat animals as well as we can, all else being equal.
     That said, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging animals and humans are separate categories with different considerations. I would go as far as to say refusing to acknowledge this is very anti-human.
     Nobody seriously argues that house pets should be illegal or that they should have a right to vote.
     It is anti-human to prioritize quality-of-life of animals at the expense of human lives.
     It's also anti-human to argue human rights are no more important than animal rights / conditions.
     I would argue that it is cruel and insane to treat animals as nothing more than resources. The natural world is complex and requires more stewardship and finesse than many would consider.
     There's a reason they have people focused so much on the ethics of eating animals rather than experimenting on them.
     @gentoobro@shitpost.cloud @VeganMemes@veganism.social

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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 03:10:19 JST Gabe

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     I didn't think you were, but one could take a strong "anti-human-supremacy" stance that absolutely blurs into anti-human directions. I was just outlining where I see the boundaries.

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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 03:10:48 JST m0xEE

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     @gabriel
     Because the wording in your original response could've been better: humans aren't bred on industrial scale that is why they should be treated differently — this is what you mean, at least that's the way I see it.
     There are ways to go from here: one might say that animals should not be bred on industrial scale either — and you might agree noting that this should not be done at the cost of sacrificing human lives, that's reasonable IMO.
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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 03:11:47 JST Gabe

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     @m0xee@social.librem.one humans aren't bred on industrial scale that is why they should be treated differently You've misunderstood my point entirely, I also brought up animal testing. I'm not pro animal-suffering. The point is that we agree that a great deal of animal mistreatment is for economic reasons. This is why I felt like responding because as I said, merely treating living beings as a resource to be extracted is a problem to be resolved.
     I'm just reasserting that humans and animals are different and have different ethical considerations. I don't see why this is controversial at all, except for the fact that a great deal of people are immersed in anti-human propaganda. Which is why I also felt the need to expand on the other side of the discussion, because many people are letting their own self-hatred bleed into their policy decisions.
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 03:13:56 JST Hyolobrika

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     @gabriel, @m0xee lives in Putin's Russia, whose form of conservatism he doesn't really like, it seems.
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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 03:13:57 JST m0xEE

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     @gabriel
     But what a lot of conservatives want, at least it seems so from the sidelines, is humans to be also bred on industrial scale with disregard for everything else. Want to give you future kid proper education, don't want you living conditions to degrade drastically with childbirth? Don't care! Make babies — we need cheaper workforce, we need more taxpayers! That is why it's met with opposition, not because "Killing babies is cool, let's do it!!!"
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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 06:38:41 JST m0xEE

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel
     That is what a lot of US conservatives do not seem to realise: by banning abortions they aren't eliminating them, but pushing women towards doing it illegally. Russian authorities aren't conservative in this regard, they are just parroting US conservatives to win their support.

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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 06:38:42 JST m0xEE

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel
     In Russia there is nothing to conserve, the number of abortions in USSR was simply mind-boggling: about a dozen per woman IIRC. Throughout their lifetime, but that is still a lot. It's average, in big cities it was much lower, in rural areas they had no access to contraception and it was high, most were illegal and performed not by qualified medical personnel, which posed serious health risks to women — taking abortions out of this gray area at least eliminated that.

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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 06:41:59 JST m0xEE

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel
     Gabriel might've not liked the words I've used, but I agree with him — we're not "agreeing to disagree", when he presented his position in expanded form, it only confirmed that I did get him right.
     If we dig deeper, I'm sure we'll find points we disagree upon, but on current level I just agree with him.

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     m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 06:42:00 JST m0xEE

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel
     I think that state control over reproductive function, stimulating childbirth not by improving quality of life and providing broader access to education, but by forcing childbirth isn't pro-human, it places humans on the same level as those poor chickens as it is human breeding on industrial scale.
     Mind you, I'm not attributing any of that to Gabe, that is why I use "a lot of conservatives" — such an opinion exists and it is widespread.

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel
     As for chickens, breeding them like that is horrible, but this is being done as they serve as source of food for humans. I am not vegan or vegetarian myself, so I think that we should move away from it, but not not at all costs — not at the expense of human lives, but by looking for other sources of proper nutrition.

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel
     My remark about people not being able to come to an agreement wasn't about us, it's a separate topic. I think it it would be easier to find common ground if words like "anti-human" and "human supremacy" weren't thrown around like that.

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