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   Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:44:50 JST Hrefna (DHC)

   ActivityPub would be trivial for a "big player" to take over.

   I don't know why people think this isn't true. A completely idealized version of AP that doesn't resemble actual AP?

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:48:26 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     IMO: The reason it hasn't happened is because there hasn't been a reason to do it.

     The current size of all AP servers, combined (that aren't owned by friggin _meta_), is basically trivial and it's an excessive amount of work and numerous legal headaches to integrate even just with mastodon.

     To EEE you first have to ermbrace it, and there just isn't a reason to do the first E for most companies.

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:52:38 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     It also doesn't buy you anything as a company—not because there's no tooling written under "corporation friendly licenses" (as some might assert)— but because there's _no tooling at all_.

     So you get very little, you're entering into a fractious landscape already, and it costs a lot. Great.

     They could choose to implement in XMPP while they are at it.

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:55:52 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     These things also aren't features for us and hinderances for corporate development either.

     They are hinderances to us as well. We've managed to work around or overlook them in some corners, but that still cause substantive damage to the health of the system here.

     This isn't "yay we found the solution to keep corporations out" this is "we've made this place developer-hostile enough that almost no one, including corporations, wants to develop here."

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:57:17 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     • Christine Lemmer-Webber

     @cwebber Oh definitely 100% agreed.

     That's just an in-flight effort and I'm thinking more "why not before now."

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:57:19 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     @hrefna I don't disagree at all since I frequently point to XMPP as an example of this, but wouldn't it be fair to say by this analysis that's what Threads is doing right now (except, I guess, they barely federate)

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:59:50 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     Threads is actively in the process of that first E right now.

     I don't think you even need to assume ill intent—though frankly given that it is meta assuming ill intent is probably wise—that is functionally where this road leads.