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   Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 11:49:50 JST Rich Felker

   What's your plan for physically dismantling or blocking the construction of concentration camps?

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 11:50:40 JST Rich Felker

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     This doesn't necessarily call for public answers, but fot serious thinking.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 11:53:04 JST Rich Felker

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     You know there are going to be mass preventable deaths in these camps even before they're explicitly death camps. You know there will be mass rapes, including of children, in these camps. You know he's driving the economy into the ground intentionally so that, eventually, keeping people alive in these camps is going to be an "unjustifiable expense".

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 13:09:18 JST Rich Felker

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     • Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

     @susankayequinn That's a real possibility given the breakdown of rule of law, but it is unconstitutional. These people will not have been convicted of crimes. They're theoretically awaiting trial for immigration violations which are not crimes (and most importantly, were not crimes at time committed, see: ex post facto) and thereby the slavery exception doesn't apply to them.

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     Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her) (susankayequinn@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 13:09:19 JST Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

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     @dalias I believe they will be made slave labor (in additions to the other atrocities you mention).

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     she hacked you (ekis@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 13:12:36 JST she hacked you

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     @dalias Don't get captured

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 13:57:59 JST Rich Felker

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     • SynAck aka Little Sunshine :facepalm:

     @SynAck @susankayequinn See the opening phrase of the post you replied too.

     Still it's important for us to be citing clear constitutional law that can slow them down as it makes its way through appeals processes where lots of judges will still be correctly interpreting it.

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     SynAck aka Little Sunshine :facepalm: (synack@corteximplant.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 13:58:00 JST SynAck aka Little Sunshine :facepalm:

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     • Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

     @dalias @susankayequinn I wouldn't count on "it is unconstitutional" to be a valid defense once Cheeto Mussolini takes power. The whole goal of Project 2025 is to replace all the interpreters of the Constitution with people who will only interpret it the way that the fascists want.

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     𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤 (andytiedye@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 14:18:16 JST 𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤

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     The camps will consist of a bunch of tents in the middle of the desert. They can erect them faster than we can organize any action to stop them.

     Ultimately, the only way to fight this will be to hide those who they would send to the camps and help them to flee the country (just as that was the only effective way to resist the Nazis in Germany when they were in power).

     If you ARE one of those they would send to the camps (and I think many of us are) get your passport if you don't already have one!
      
     @dalias

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 14:18:16 JST Rich Felker

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     • 𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤

     @andytiedye The camps will need roads to them, walls, guards, etc. These are things that can be blocked or destroyed.

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     Shouty person (clacksee@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 18:17:30 JST Shouty person

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     @dalias
     We’re all (yes all – even those of us not in the US) going to need to start practising bureaucratic sabotage, malicious compliance, and the art of enthusiastically agreeing (but not delivering).

     Also I’d encourage people (again in America and elsewhere) to read The Hiding Place by Corrie Ten Boom. Yes, it’s overtly religious, but it’s also good at details of how she and her family managed to hide and help so many people before they were caught.

     https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/b5e90414-b643-483f-83dc-f0401e5bdb8d

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     Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her) (susankayequinn@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:05:43 JST Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

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     • SynAck aka Little Sunshine :facepalm:

     @dalias I'm 100% in favor of using every means possible (especially defense of the rule of law) to slow down the atrocities. And I think they will have all kinds of logistical problems (as well as social rejection and maybe even malicious compliance) that will slow them as well. But I think that's absolutely where they'd like to take it. And will if not stopped. They are already (baselessly) calling 10M undocumented people "violent criminals". They will invent the reasons.

     @SynAck