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   d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:04:00 JST d
   there's really no way to salvage and rebuild the american productive economy without cutting the leech of wall street off its neck
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:05:02 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @deprecated_ii it's harder even than that; we still have so many pensions for government workers that are backed by unrealistic returns from the stock market.
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     @petra @deprecated_ii I think there is a very thin window that can be passed through where things work out; but requires a social realignment as well as an economic one.
     
     If we dump 50+ million invaders that are draining the system, that alone gives some breathing room. But we also need to realign work incentives regarding "everyone goes to college" and so we have to do kind of a dirty jobs thing where you can have 2 kids and a SAHM from a factory job.
     
     Given that we've automated a lot of the clerical jobs this isn't as unimaginable as people think.
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     @sickburnbro @deprecated_ii Also Social Security in the US and its equivalents in other Western countries.
     
     I'm going to be dependent on it as much as the next Boomer that didn't make bank in our lifetime. And there are a lot of us.
     
     But it plus the massive influx of foreign migrants are hammering down the younger generations.
     
     I'd like to hope for the best but realistically I can only see a massive reset getting us out of this. Which means post-Soviet levels of poverty for many. So be it.
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     @sickburnbro @petra @deprecated_ii It can work if US heavy industry and manufacturing in general is re-onshored, but that's not a 12 month project. It's 8-20 years in the making
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     @TrevorGoodchild @petra @deprecated_ii exactly. that's why there has to be a social realignment, it can't be "group A gets back in power, dismantles everything starts pushing PhDs in tranny basket weaving"
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     @petra @deprecated_ii we are past the point of "legal" mattering. When the Ohio thing with the "oh ho ho, but they let the hatians in LEGALLY so they can eat your cats!" people went, collectively , "well ok, then fuck the law"
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     petra (petra@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:24:47 JST petra

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     @sickburnbro @deprecated_ii Canada has created the problem of letting in its dirt people "legally".
     
     And as much as jeet hate has grown over the last couple of years from exposure to them, I can't see Canadians ever electing a leader that would definitively do something about them. If things crash badly enough they'll self-deport, but it probably won't ever get bad enough in comparison to living in India for that to happen.
     
     We're stuck with muddling through and trying to piggyback on an American economic boom for the next decade.
     
     But the current crop of jeets and their children are here to stay I'm afraid.
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     PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:26:33 JST PunishedD

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     @sickburnbro @petra @deprecated_ii The problem is we've promised all the dirty jobs people that their kids can go to college. That became "the American Dream" and you aren't going to propagandize Millennials and younger gens out of their white collar fantasies.
     
     Plus we automated a lot of the factory jobs away since the 70s. When Obama did his Green Revolution bit, opening a bunch of expensive factories with government money, they only created 50-75 jobs each. That's nice in a small town, but not nearly enough raw numbers for a working population of 150 million.
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     @PunishedD @deprecated_ii @petra white men have already started dropping out of college, and it's becoming a low-status woman thing.
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     @stoner713 @TrevorGoodchild @petra @deprecated_ii well, that's because Trev and I (amongst others) have talked it to death. There is not much individually do be done, except stuff like getting people to not take the vaxx by showcasing rational arguments against it.
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     @TrevorGoodchild @sickburnbro @petra @deprecated_ii Exactly, Trevor. It seems like no one, not necessarily on poa.st/NCD , wants to even broch the long term projects needed to Make America Great Again®. Every pundit and political actor is promoting single point solutions when every problem we face in America requires massive restructuring of the system in question from several fronts. It's as if they think 2nd and 3rd order effects do not influence supply chains. Even something as simple as using natural coloring in our Fruit Loops is more than just 'let's build a plant'.
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     Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:38:00 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

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     @sickburnbro @stoner713 @petra @deprecated_ii It should be noted that stating that something is "difficult" and listing all the reasons why is not "blackpilling" or being a "congenital malcontent". It is appropriately preparing expectations and selecting for the right types of individuals that can execute the tasks set out. Building cathedrals was difficult. Performing a craniotomy or carotid endarterectomy and getting the patient safely home is difficult. None of these are impossible. All are worthwhile.
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     @TrevorGoodchild @stoner713 @petra @deprecated_ii talking about systematic thinking, listing out all the potential issues is critical. The reason people find it blackpilling is they realize it is more effort than they were expecting to put in.
     
     But the systematic thinking is what helps because it is better to know how much effort to expect before you start to set expectations.
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     PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:54:47 JST PunishedD

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     @petra @sickburnbro @deprecated_ii It's a large corporation, no one accomplishes anything great there. Those places are cruise control for steady profits, which is how they can afford to tolerate the DEI junk in the first place.
     
     The men who work there are happy enough to scoop up a good paycheck, then fuck off and do the important or interesting stuff outside of work.
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     petra (petra@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 23:54:48 JST petra

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     @sickburnbro @PunishedD @deprecated_ii Here's an example from r/girsgonewired.

     My question from all of this is, does anyone actually work there? What man who wants to accomplish something great would want to work in a place like this?

     r/girlsgonewired 2 yr. ago

     Women in computer science

     I'm doing a DE&I presentation next month on things folks in our org can do to encourage more women to go into computer science.

     We have a bunch of ideas already, but was curious to hear about why you all think more women aren't pursuing CS degrees and what we, as a large company, can do about it?

     Edit: thank you all so much for sharing your stories, insights and links! I too have had similar experiences in school, while interviewing and even being an interviewer.

     Many of your stories have also made me really appreciate my company and coworkers. Sure we're not perfect, but I think it's a pretty great place to work as a woman.

     Not to brag, but just to share what i think we're doing right. We do many of the things you all have suggested, paid parental leave, sick leave, caregiver leave, flex hours, wfh, mental health resources, volunteering to support underrepresented groups in STEM. Many of our executives are women. My manager is a woman, our VP is a woman. Everyone is also very respectful. My male colleagues have gone out of their way to highlight my work and bring me into highly visible projects. Our leadership values work/ life balance. We're required to take our PTO and I've heard many times from my managers over the years, "family is more important than work. "

     A lot of our ideas center around doing more volunteer work outside our company and sharing how we've created this positive culture.