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    Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 00:07:38 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler

    A collaborator found out that the US State Dept is seeking public input on whether "satellite signature reduction" should be subject to ITAR regs.

    Translation: should satellite operators who make their satellites fainter (in order to not destroy the night sky quite as much) be allowed to talk about how they did it?

    So some of my collaborators and I put together a quick and easy template for you to email the US State Dept and tell them this shouldn't be secret info:

    http://kesslerrebellion.com/take-action-2024-11-17

    In conversation Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 00:07:38 JST from mastodon.social permalink
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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 00:07:37 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      Will it make a difference? Possibly.

      Will satellite builders actually make their satellites fainter? Gosh I hope so.

      Will they actually talk to each other about how they do it? Probably not. But if that tech is subject to ITAR regulations, they definitely won't.

      Are there more important things to worry about? Oh my yes. But how often does the US State Dept ask for public input on something that affects the night sky? Now's your chance to run the experiment and see if they listen!

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      Dr. Eric J. Fielding, PhD repeated this.
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      Trevorgoodchild (trevorgoodchild@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 00:07:37 JST Trevorgoodchild Trevorgoodchild
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      @sundogplanets there is an NRO spy satellite called Lacrosse that has a “disappearing” trick that it uses to avoid detection presumably for re-tasking and changes in orbit or something. This is probably why they’re concerned about it. We can assume these techniques (and maybe newer techniques in development) are not always public. The fact they are even concerned lets us infer they probably know more about this than than they let on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacrosse_(satellite)?wprov=sfti1

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        Lacrosse (satellite)
        Lacrosse or Onyx was a series of terrestrial radar imaging reconnaissance satellites operated by the United States National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). While not officially confirmed by the NRO or the Government of the United States prior to 2008, there was widespread evidence pointing to its existence, including one NASA website. In July 2008, the NRO itself declassified the existence of its synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellite constellation. According to former Director of Central Intelligence Admiral Stansfield Turner, Lacrosse had its origins in 1980 when a dispute between the Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Air Force as to whether a combined optical/radar reconnaissance satellite (the CIA proposal) or a radar-only one (the USAF proposal) should be developed was resolved in favor of the USAF. Lacrosse uses synthetic aperture radar as its prime imaging instrument. It is able to see through cloud cover and also has some ability to penetrate soil, though there have been more powerful instruments deployed in space for this specific purpose. Early versions are believed to have used the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System (TDRSS) to...
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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 00:07:37 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      @Trevorgoodchild Yeah - my take is that the State Dept assumes that anything that makes satellites fainter must be for espionage purposes. Even though with 10,000 sats already in orbit and tens of thousands more planned, astronomers desperately need all sats to be fainter in order to keep doing science at all. (Of course, I don't think we'll actually get to that many satellites before someone screws up and puts us into Kessler Syndrome, but that's a different discussion...)

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 04:45:03 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      • Dr. John Barentine FRAS

      I've gotten a few questions/comments about "lights on satellites" so time for a quick refresher: satellites reflect sunlight long after sunset, they do not have lights, they are just big and shiny. It's a lot more complicated than "why don't they just turn the lights off?"

      Here's a great set of videos put together by @JohnBarentine and the IAU-CPS community engagement hub to learn more about satellites: https://cps.iau.org/community-engagement-hub/satcons-101/

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