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   Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:33 JST Frondeur
   Anyone know a lot about Spengler??? Is his whole thing just making a global magian historical narrative because he was half jew or whatever???
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     Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:24 JST Frondeur

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     @RetardStrength @Escoffier following Spengler...a jew (at least in a jewish civilization) wouldn't be able to construct a cosmology that didn't have magian characteristics...although marxism and spengler's works are universal in aim (ie faustian) both also preach about cycles of birth and destruction which strikes me as a fossil of (((magianism)))...I guess I'm looking for some self awareness of spengler on this...or evidence to the contrary...did he really believe jews could become completely faustian in their endeavors when they were in a faustian civilization...if so why did he call them a fossil civilization...
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     Bret Slowak (retardstrength@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:28 JST Bret Slowak

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     I don't think the two are mutually exclusive opposites, as the symbol is a cultural thing pointing to the living conditions of a certain culture, like the vast unexplored territory for the young American nation. It's there in reality and the symbol in their minds inform how they develop. Perhaps he would say that if Western man just sees it as logically deducible, that is an expression of typical Western thinking and other races might not see it that way.
     The Russians, he says, have this symbol of the vast Plain surrounding them, and geopolitical thinkers today often say something similar: Russia is dangerous because they are always worried about being invaded, and they feel a need to secure land around them.
     
     It was some years ago I read it so it's not like my opinion is very well informed. It's the kind of "total" system a lonely thinker constructs in his room, it can be interesting. If there is anything specifically Jewish about it, perhaps it is just that other jewish persons sometimes have constructed their own cosmologies like Marxism.
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     Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:29 JST Frondeur

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     @RetardStrength @Escoffier i dont get it...why do i need to make the frontier into a symbol as opposed to accepting a geographic reality with logically deducible consequences...which, from what I understand, he would have been opposed to...
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     Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:30 JST Frondeur

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     @Escoffier Yeah I think that was the point of my original poast...after reflecting on it...he says the jews belong to a magian civilization that is obsessed with magic and spirits...and this nigga is going around ascribing magic symbols to each civilization...and describing an apocalyptic life cycle for each...very (((magian)))...so i looked up early life...sure enough...
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     Bret Slowak (retardstrength@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:30 JST Bret Slowak

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     He counts Jews, Arabs, Iranians, probably all middle easterners, as belonging to a similiar "Arab" cultural category, and the symbol he ascribes to them is "the Cave" -something about this world as a dark, inscrutably mystical place, hence their obsession with magic spells etc, illuminated by a little opening of heavenly light above. These symbols in themselves aren't magical or weird, consider how a symbol like "the Frontier" could be seen as a driving force in American culture.
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:31 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @Frondeur And as a rule i love that stuff, just not him. I can read lifesysle of empires shit till the tires come off.
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     Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:31 JST Frondeur

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     @Escoffier oh i see...when you say weren't able to read him...you mean...you dont like it...
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:31 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @Frondeur Yeah it was a bit too esoteric for my tastes.
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     Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:32 JST Frondeur

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     @Escoffier ive been watching/listening to some videos and podcasts on it...the introductory evidence they talk about is usually compelling...but who has time for all that...
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     Frondeur (frondeur@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:32 JST Frondeur

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     @Escoffier not to go autistic on you in particular...but in case someone gets interested...he looks for patterns that all civilizations must go through (rise and declines, a Caesar like figure etc...)...and distinguishes between the commonalities of unique civilizations...ours (western civilization) would be the faustian civilization and we have as a symbol boundless space...which has defined our endless quest for knowledge...land...exploration etc...whereas other civilizations like the chinese for example each had their own thing...the civilizations can have their own preferred art forms (music for us compared to theatre for classical civilizations)...architecture...tools...concepts of time...
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 08:41:33 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @Frondeur I was never able to read it.