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   • James Endres Howell

   @RustyRing @james

   That's very fair.

   Would you be opposed to Mastodon launching features that make it easier for new users to get started?

   Specifically, something like starter packs?

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mastodonmigration @RustyRing @james

     I love that you're curating the lists, but this doesn't solve the problem. I believe several other efforts are getting it built into the Mastodon UI. That's what's needed to close the gap between what would help users' on-boarding, and where we are today.

     Because the best starter packs will be created by tiny communities of non-technical users, for their friends and communities that they think should be on Mastodon.

     So creation and sharing has to be easy.

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mekkaokereke @RustyRing @james

     You might be interested in this "Follow Pack" effort: https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/113493020744016567

     Currently there are five "Follow Packs": https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/113493020744016567

     Intend to keep adding them if they are popular and also encourage others to do roll their own: https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/113493121467974927

     The design of these things is basically to get around the limitations of Mastodon, and still offer the capability to load chunks of topical accounts...

     1/n

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mekkaokereke @RustyRing @james

     Admittedly fiddly, but one of the really nice things about these is that they import directly into a list. Not sure if Bluesky has this capability, but actually for organizing your follows it is great!

     Very interested in getting feedback from the community and coordinating with others to generate and promote Follow Pack lists.

     Understand that it would be better to have these things integrated into the UI, but it is what we can do now. 🤷

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mekkaokereke @RustyRing @james

     Have you any thoughts on the discussions concerning the ownership of Bluesky and the risks associated with setting up shop in another corporate garden? Particularly one with it's founding history and recent investment by Blockchain Capital?

     Definitely understand the concerns about Mastodon, but would say that it is worth working together to improve because it has the one thing corporate platforms will never have, it's defensible.

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mastodonmigration @RustyRing @james

     Yes, but I have concerns about Mastodon too. Most of the instance owners on Mastodon do not create a safe space for Black people. Many of the rest don't even notice the distinct lack of Black people. Only the most stubborn Black folk stay here. 🙋🏿♂️

     Mastodon expects Black people to come here and face death threats and abuse while Mastodon gets it together. For most Black users, especially Black women, the answer is "LOL! Absolutely not. BFFR."

     1/N

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mastodonmigration @RustyRing @james

     Again, many of the people on Mastodon have a hard time empathizing with a Black user on Twitter.

     The "BlueSky might go bad one day!" Is a future hypothetical. But "Mastodon is not great for Black folks," is real today.

     Why would a Black woman choose to come here when BlueSky meets her needs? To come here where people that advocate for her are safety are attacked and abused, very few other Black women are here, and she gets told to CW everything she posts?

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     @mastodonmigration @RustyRing @james

     Not rhetorical... Seriously, why would a Black woman choose Mastodon over BlueSky? Most of the answers are some form of "To do extra labor to help other people, and communities other than your own."

     None of the answers are "Because this is the best thing for you and your community, today."

     Maybe they're tired of saving everyone else. Maybe someone else should save them this time.

     That not rhetorical question is what drives the Fedi changes I sponsor.
     3/3

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     So, the point seems to be we all need to care about building and protecting communities other than our own. Black women need to be welcome and safe here so that we all are safe here. And, if we are successful, it will benefit all communities, because together in aggregate we will be stronger. When the new shiny object comes along, we will be motivated to stay improve things here, not go off in search of safety, which may be an illusion or transient.

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     • James Endres Howell

     @negative12dollarbill @mastodonmigration @RustyRing @james

     Just to close the circle...

     1) I'm one of the people that first pointed out the N-word username thing, along with Aliafonzy and others.

     2) I'm one of the "people" that wasn't apologized to after the fact.

     3) I received far worse racist abuse on Mastodon than on BlueSky.

     4) No one from the core Mastodon team has apologized to me for that racist abuse I received here either.

     So I'm not sure what the point is. Mastodon is much worse.

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     @mekkaokereke @mastodonmigration @RustyRing @james
     Not for nothing, BlueSky was the platform which allowed the n-word in usernames and didn't even apologise when people complained.

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     @mastodonmigration @mekkaokereke
     Good morning to you,

     I am a big fan of intersectionality. So jewish Black women should be safe, disabled jewish poor Black women, migrant disabled queer Black and Brown women and so on - they all should be protected by a society.
     I am a queer feminist, disabled, a woman born into a migrant familiy. We were always a poor familiy.
     But I am priveleged to for beeing white, can walk, beeing a Cis-Women and so on.
     So it is more than just supporting woman and all non-cis-gendered people and keeping all of them safe.
     That is my view on building up solidarity and suppport within a community.

     Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
     Have a wonderful Sunday.

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     • James Endres Howell

     @mekkaokereke @RustyRing @james The starter packs are great and would really help not only new users get started, but would also enable a community to move here relatively easily as a group.

     I finally joined BlueSky as a bunch of the covid science, medicine and engineering folks went there, and in a few minutes, I was painlessly following many of the same people I did on twitter.