AnarchoNinaWrites
Again, people you turn on, to court fascist votes, are not LIKELY to want to support your politically.
You lost 10M fucking votes. TEN MILLION.
So maybe all those people are all secret fascists even tho giant swathes of them are literally going to be harmed by fascism.
Or JUST MAYBE, it's because they could tell they were fucked either way and didn't see the value in supporting bougie ass "liberals" prepared to throw them to the wolves for a miniscule handful of cracker suburban votes
Idiots
AnarchoNinaWrites
Like it or not, your base? Are queer ppl, they're Black ppl, they're Brown people, they're Muslims, they're young people.
Your candidate ran on "we will continue arming Israel while they do a genocide, we're going to fund violent racist murderpigs, we're going to pass fascist immigration laws even better than the fascists do, student protestors are antisemitic terrorists and we'd rather not talk about trans and queer people during a fascist pogrom against them."
That's how you lose 10M votes
AnarchoNinaWrites
I am not 10M people. I warned you that I cannot be millions of votes for you. I told anyone that would listen running the right of George W. Bush was going to result in losing MILLIONS of voters. They didn't vote for Trump, they just stayed home; like I TOLD YOU they fucking would.
You said "lol, nah" and here we are.
AnarchoNinaWrites
It literally does not MATTER if YOU agree with the calculus or not. YOU are ALSO not "millions of voters."
The job, is to get elected. You do what you have to win the election.
Your leaders decided funding and enabling a genocide, hugging it out with cops, passing fascist immigration laws, and hanging out with the Cheney clan, were MORE IMPORTANT than getting elected.
Don't get pissed off at people who realized that and said "naw." This was WHOLLY fucking predictable.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@MisuseCase yeah no, they got 81 million votes in 2020 running on:
end the forever wars
curtail police violence
dismantle the migrant carceral system
punish fascists
So... no.
Misuse Case
@AnarchoNinaWrites From what I’ve seen it may not have actually mattered what the Dems ran on because a lot of the people who voted for Trump or sat out the election had no idea what was going on, didn’t even know what Dems were running on, and/or had a very distorted idea of what they were running on.
Could Dems have done more to overcome that? Probably! But the information vacuum was a big problem.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@MisuseCase Go make excuses for people who ran a campaign for fascists and lost to fascists elsewhere.
We have 3 elections worth of data about how to run against this guy; two times they ran as Republicans and lost, one time Biden lied his ass off, promised progress and got 81 million votes.
I'd say I'm going to miss you, but I won't. Goodbye.
Misuse Case
@AnarchoNinaWrites Things have changed in the past 4 years, including Elon Musk getting control of Twitter, which has downstream effects on other media.
He bought it for a reason after all!
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@AnarchoNinaWrites I suggested the polls about the genocide in Palestine might ve why ppl stayed home, and someone demanded evidence of this.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Wildheart_Baby I think Gaza was probably the biggest factor, but not the only one. At the SAME time they were shouting "we love genocide" they were also demonizing student protestors, saying we love (violent racist) cops and want to give them more money, and promising to do fascist carceral immigration policies even "better" than the fascists do.
They literally ATTACKED the exact same coalition that got them over in 2020.
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@AnarchoNinaWrites yeah, like seeing the number of votes missing, and remembering the demonisation of college kids, the same ones who are eligible to vote, just a way of snatching defeat out the jaws of victory.
Lightfighter
@AnarchoNinaWrites and spending $20+ Million of donor money so they could hang out with Beyonce et al
John Cutting
@AnarchoNinaWrites for over a year since they decided to keep funding a genocide, I had the same thought. All of those were deliberate choices that they knew were unpopular. This is exactly the direction they wanted and decided on that instead of representing their constituents, providing a vision that good leadership requires, or spending any political capital or goodwill to improve obvious problem areas.
The reelection of Donald Fucking Trump is Biden's legacy because his actions are indistinguishable from the actions of someone intentionally trying to get him reelected in that position.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@jcutting @RoguePlayer I'm with John here. And kinda wondering why someone is in my replies explaining how there would be circumstances where arming and enabling a genocide would be okay.
John Cutting
@RoguePlayer @AnarchoNinaWrites Refusing to do the obviously right thing because you are afraid it might cause you to lose your job feels like a pretty good reason to remove you from a leadership position in and of itself. I don't think I'm alone in that position, as the results showed.
I voted for Harris, but I can easily see why others didn't.
Gregory
I think the Biden administration made a political calculation was impossible to determine. They may have thought that they would lose the Jewish vote if they pulled support from Israel.
I don't know if there are more Jewish people than Arabs in the US. Either way, the political calculus was a loser.
Mind you, I think the conflict in both Gaza and Ukraine were started to cause this very issue in the US election.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@RoguePlayer I dunno if you're a racist, but "I don't know if there are more Jewish people than Arabs in the US" is a pretty racist way of looking at a genocide.
And I'm cool with you ignoring that, I already decided to ignore the shit you say after that post.
Gregory
I don't know if I was just called racist or not. I'll ignore that either way.
What's going to come out in the wash what I don't see discussed here just what trump is going to do with the situation.
If they stop sending arms to Israel and help rebuild Gaza, then great. They deserve all the credit.
If they do what I think they will do, how exactly is that better?
AnarchoNinaWrites
@RoguePlayer Let's do each other a favor and "never speak to each other again."
AnarchoNinaWrites
@RoguePlayer Fucking untag me okay? Everything about this conversation is making my fucking skin crawl. Let's not be friends.
Gregory
Anyway, I understand what you're saying. Harris should have separated herself from Biden and said the right things. It's really hard to believe that we are here. With everything trump has said these past 4 months, I could have sworn he was trying to sabotage his election. Who knew it would make 75 million dicks hard.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@RoguePlayer What part of "fucking untag me" did you not understand you cracker maggot?
Gregory
LOL. White mindset? You're not racist. Not one bit. And who's white? Certainly not I. Doesn't matter. Get medicated, friend...err...non-friend.
And fuck yourself with a broken stick.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@RoguePlayer Literally dumber than a rock. But that's okay, I'm happy to help you fuck off and never darken my doors again. Your mayo ass will not be missed.
Gregory
Jesus. Shut up already.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche It's not that simple. Joe Biden's numbers were much worse than where Harris finished. The Dems bled voters across all demos, not just white dudes, and Trump didn't gain any votes.
To put it politely, the Dem base, as a WHOLE, did not want to vote for a Republican - and that's what Harris ran as.
Nanard_Groubiche
@AnarchoNinaWrites
These 10 millions are mostly WASP and/or men.
They're not secret fascists, they're just common bourgeoisie. They refused to vote for a black women (Obama was a man and harmless and they already refused to vote for Clinton) and as usual, they opted for "fascism still better than socialism".
Yes, there's no socialists in this election, but the progressive wing of Dem party is growing fast, so the next election, who know? Better to shoot down AOC before she began to be a problem.
PS: glad to see you again 🙂
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche I disagree firmly with your argument. They attacked their own base. Furthermore, I am not interested in gaming out how a Democratic Party that serves capital that's boiling us all to death can "come back" from this.
Nanard_Groubiche
@AnarchoNinaWrites
Those 10 millions cos the victory cause they were leaking in key states. Take out 10 millions everywhere and the Dems could win, but take it out in the key states, that are mostly white states... Game over.
Look at this: https://piaille.fr/@Tesseks@mastodon.social/113450426993004660
With a less right-wing program Harris would have problems anyway.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche In 2020 they ran on "end the forever wars, reign in police violence, dismantle the migrant carceral complex, and punish fascists" and got 81M votes.
This time they ran on "we're doing a genocide, we love cops, student protestors are antisemitic terrorists, we hunt migrants better than fascists and the Cheneys love us."
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they blew 10M votes, across literally every demo.
You're welcome to your opinion but I do not agree. Good day.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche Literally everything in your charge is expressed as a PERCENTAGE of voters; it's not raw numbers, it doesn't account for 10M people not voting.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche They lost 10M voters, running as Republicans. Media doesn't explain that.
I'm sorry I have little interest in continuing this conversation.
Nanard_Groubiche
@AnarchoNinaWrites
We are too focused on economy and forgot that capitalism has 3 heads: market, state and religion/mass culture/whatever it's called these days.
SA state rules are rigged and don't allow radical politics, the new economy throw his muscles in the far-right and the new religion (mash-up of mass media, toxic masculinity, white nationalism and fanaticism) hit hard.
Also, technology as mean of disinformation.
Trump backstabbed the democracy with medieval ideology and modern technology. There's a lesson for us here.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche I AM telling you that you're wrong. And I don't want to talk about it anymore.
Good day.
Nanard_Groubiche
@AnarchoNinaWrites
I agree to disagree.
But i don't tell you you're wrong, i just say there's more than on factor applying here.
I think that capitalism turned culture in a mean of production, and it's using it to take control of society.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@Nanard_Groubiche And yet, you're still posting in my replies...
I wrote an entire autopsy thread about this election already:
https://jorts.horse/@AnarchoNinaWrites/113468020438866065
90% of what you're saying, was still true in 2020 when Joe Biden won by 6M+ votes. Biden, who is NOT a Black woman, running on the same platform Harris did in 2024, was on pace to lose 400 EC votes and would have underpeformed Harris.
It was the platform. They ran as fascism lite to court white Republicans and burned; same as 2016 w/ Clinton
Nanard_Groubiche
@AnarchoNinaWrites
I don't want to argue anymore, i just converted percentages in voters (for comparison):
around 23% under 18, so i consider 77% of 330 millions, with 60% participation (152 millions voters)
- 49% male, so 31 millions for Harris and 41 millions for Trump (2,5 millions voted "other")
- 51% female, so 41M Harris/35M Trump (1,5M "other")
White (60%): 37M Harris/52M Trump
Black (12%): 15,5M Harris/2,5M Trump
Hispanic/Latino (19%): 15M Harris/12,5M Trump
Asian (6%): 5M Harris/3,5M Trump
Other (3%): 2M Harris/2,5M Trump
It's approximation, i think i underestimate the total voter number and miss the fact whites are older (add voters to Trump).
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