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    Andrew Kelley (andrewrk@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:37:16 JST Andrew Kelley Andrew Kelley

    Inside of you are two wolves:

    One of them wants to be grammatically correct and put the punctuation inside "the quoted text."

    The other one has been programming for 25 years and is howling at the top of its lungs, "I demand proper nesting!".

    In conversation about 6 months ago from mastodon.social permalink
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      23n27 (23n27@dgc.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:38:04 JST 23n27 23n27
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      @andrewrk As somebody who has drifted into electrical engineering somehow, let me introduce you to Toshiba part numbers: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/toshiba-semiconductor-and-storage/TLP291-GB-TP-SE/4562874

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      MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:46:47 JST MortSinyx MortSinyx
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      • lawless polymorph

      How did thou come to that conclusion, @typeswitch? Punctuation is as important as words (or identifiers) to deliver meaning, whether it's a formal or natural language. There are cases like the example given by @andrewrk where there is more than one way to express the same thing without ambiguity, but in general, misuse of punctuation is gonna give Godzilla a stronk.

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      lawless polymorph (typeswitch@gamedev.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:46:49 JST lawless polymorph lawless polymorph
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      @andrewrk At this point the first wolf has moved on.

      But in any case, punctuation isn't part of grammar, so it's not going to affect grammatical correctness.

      In conversation about 6 months ago permalink
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      MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:51:44 JST MortSinyx MortSinyx
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      • Liliane Fontenot

      Thanks, @fontenot, TIL the logical way to punctuate things is actually used somewhere that is still stuck with imperial units! Cc: @andrewrk

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      Liliane Fontenot (fontenot@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:51:45 JST Liliane Fontenot Liliane Fontenot
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      @andrewrk The Brits have just one wolf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks_in_English#British_style

      I tend to use this for most of my casual writing, despite being American.

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        Quotation marks in English
        In English writing, quotation marks or inverted commas, also known informally as quotes, talking marks, speech marks, quote marks, quotemarks or speechmarks, are punctuation marks placed on either side of a word or phrase in order to identify it as a quotation, direct speech or a literal title or name. Quotation marks may be used to indicate that the meaning of the word or phrase they surround should be taken to be different from (or, at least, a modification of) that typically associated with it, and are often used in this way to express irony (for example, in the sentence 'The lunch lady plopped a glob of "food" onto my tray.' the quotation marks around the word food show it is being called that ironically). They are also sometimes used to emphasise a word or phrase, although this is usually considered incorrect. Quotation marks are written as a pair of opening and closing marks in either of two styles: single (‘...’) or double (“...”). Opening and closing quotation marks may be identical in form (called neutral, vertical, straight, typewriter, or "dumb" quotation marks), or may be distinctly left-handed...
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      MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 14:13:58 JST MortSinyx MortSinyx
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      • lawless polymorph

      @typeswitch, scripts are to record speech, and punctuation isn't just pretty decorators. It denotes pauses, changes in tones, and sometimes replacement for words or modifiers (e.g. quotation marks). Consider your own words by themselves:

      grammar is about spoken language it s about how words come together to create sentences with meaning punctuation is part of writing not spoken language it s like spelling which is also not grammar & only applies to written language it s a set of conventions for how to record and transmit aspects of the spoken language using symbols it s good to recall that the spoken language comes first & is much older than writing grammar has existed for much longer than punctuation or spelling

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      lawless polymorph (typeswitch@gamedev.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 14:13:59 JST lawless polymorph lawless polymorph
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      @cnx Grammar is about spoken language, it's about how words come together to create sentences with meaning.

      Punctuation is part of writing, not spoken language. It's like spelling, which is also not grammar & only applies to written language. It's a set of conventions for how to record and transmit aspects of the spoken language using symbols.

      It's good to recall that the spoken language comes first & is much older than writing. Grammar has existed for much longer than punctuation or spelling.

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