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   Andrew Kelley (andrewrk@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:37:16 JST Andrew Kelley

   Inside of you are two wolves:

   One of them wants to be grammatically correct and put the punctuation inside "the quoted text."

   The other one has been programming for 25 years and is howling at the top of its lungs, "I demand proper nesting!".

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     23n27 (23n27@dgc.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:38:04 JST 23n27

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     @andrewrk As somebody who has drifted into electrical engineering somehow, let me introduce you to Toshiba part numbers: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/toshiba-semiconductor-and-storage/TLP291-GB-TP-SE/4562874

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     MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:46:47 JST MortSinyx

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     • lawless polymorph

     How did thou come to that conclusion, @typeswitch? Punctuation is as important as words (or identifiers) to deliver meaning, whether it's a formal or natural language. There are cases like the example given by @andrewrk where there is more than one way to express the same thing without ambiguity, but in general, misuse of punctuation is gonna give Godzilla a stronk.

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     lawless polymorph (typeswitch@gamedev.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:46:49 JST lawless polymorph

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     @andrewrk At this point the first wolf has moved on.

     But in any case, punctuation isn't part of grammar, so it's not going to affect grammatical correctness.

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     MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:51:44 JST MortSinyx

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     • fontenot

     Thanks, @fontenot, TIL the logical way to punctuate things is actually used somewhere that is still stuck with imperial units! Cc: @andrewrk

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     fontenot (fontenot@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:51:45 JST fontenot

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     @andrewrk The Brits have just one wolf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks_in_English#British_style

     I tend to use this for most of my casual writing, despite being American.

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     MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 14:13:58 JST MortSinyx

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     • lawless polymorph

     @typeswitch, scripts are to record speech, and punctuation isn't just pretty decorators. It denotes pauses, changes in tones, and sometimes replacement for words or modifiers (e.g. quotation marks). Consider your own words by themselves:

     grammar is about spoken language it s about how words come together to create sentences with meaning punctuation is part of writing not spoken language it s like spelling which is also not grammar & only applies to written language it s a set of conventions for how to record and transmit aspects of the spoken language using symbols it s good to recall that the spoken language comes first & is much older than writing grammar has existed for much longer than punctuation or spelling

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     lawless polymorph (typeswitch@gamedev.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 14:13:59 JST lawless polymorph

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     • MortSinyx

     @cnx Grammar is about spoken language, it's about how words come together to create sentences with meaning.

     Punctuation is part of writing, not spoken language. It's like spelling, which is also not grammar & only applies to written language. It's a set of conventions for how to record and transmit aspects of the spoken language using symbols.

     It's good to recall that the spoken language comes first & is much older than writing. Grammar has existed for much longer than punctuation or spelling.