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   Mondoweiss 🇵🇸 (mondoweiss@social.mondoweiss.net)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:32 JST Mondoweiss 🇵🇸

   After working with Palestinian medical colleagues who face the horrors and brutality of the Israeli regime on a daily basis, I could not vote for those who have supported, aided, and abetted the ongoing crimes against humanity and genocide.

   https://mondoweiss.net/2024/11/after-bearing-witness-to-crimes-against-humanity-i-could-not-vote-for-the-starvation-and-killing-of-palestinians/

   #Palestine #Israel #Gaza
   @palestine @israel

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     Farhad ☮️🆓🇵🇸 (faab64@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:28 JST Farhad ☮️🆓🇵🇸

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     • DieMadColonizer

     @FearlessJuan @NoFlexZone @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

     He is a Christian Zionist

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     FearlessJuan (fearlessjuan@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:29 JST FearlessJuan

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     • DieMadColonizer

     @NoFlexZone @mondoweiss @palestine @israel I don't see how relevant is that question in this case. One option was learning towards fascism and the other would have preserved democracy. That impacts everything, including foreign policy.

     We knew for a fact that the next administration's foreign policy was going to be much worse than the alternative. And I had hope that Harris would rein in Netanyahu once in power.

     Huckabee has just been nominated as the US ambassador to Israel. He doesn't even say "settlements". He calls them "communities" and "neighborhoods".

     I think we can agree that Netanyahu will play this guy and his boss like a fiddle. I don't think that would happen with Harris.

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     FearlessJuan (fearlessjuan@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:30 JST FearlessJuan

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     @NoFlexZone @mondoweiss @palestine @israel This was a "very evil" vs. "a much lesser evil" regarding Gaza. Even though Harris was parroting Biden's statements about "Israel having the right to defend itself", she mentioned the deaths and suffering of innocent civilians, which I don't recall Biden saying.

     I haven't read it or heard it anywhere, but my gut tells me that she would have been much more forceful in demanding a ceasefire and the administration change would have been the perfect excuse. Even to the point of enabling an arms embargo to force the negotiations.

     Netanyahu has disrespected Biden at every turn and something tells me that wouldn't work with Harris.

     Maybe it's just wishful thinking. But maybe as a woman and a mother she would have seen the children and fellow women as human beings.

     Was she behaving that way to secure her access to the White House? Would it have been political suicide to declare support for the Palestinians and a ceasefire from the get go and that's why she didn't say it explicitly? I don't know, but it's plausible.

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     DieMadColonizer (noflexzone@blacktwitter.io)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:30 JST DieMadColonizer

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     @FearlessJuan @mondoweiss @palestine @israel setting that aside for one moment; When has voting for the "lesser evil" historically ever achieved a desired political outcome? (Restating my first question.)

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     FearlessJuan (fearlessjuan@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:31 JST FearlessJuan

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     @mondoweiss @palestine @israel You're not wrong. And it's so heartbreaking to read about the abuses and humiliation Palestinians suffer day in and day out, even children, even to just cross the street.

     However, wouldn't have been better to vote for the lesser of two evils? I would have expected Harris to be much harder on the Israeli government once she got in and to listen to Senator Bernie Sanders, who has been asking the US gov to stop funding the Israeli war machine for a long time.

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     DieMadColonizer (noflexzone@blacktwitter.io)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 09:21:31 JST DieMadColonizer

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     • FearlessJuan

     @FearlessJuan 1. When has voting for "the lesser evil" worked?
     2. Why do you think Harris would have stopped funding genocide, what statements or policies positions led you to that conclusion?

     @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

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     Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br) (lxo@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 13:37:16 JST Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)

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     voting for the lesser evil is not enough to achieve a better outcome. one must organize to have better choices next time. but voting for the lesser evil may very well be enough to avoid the worse evil for the time being, if those are the only choices available today. so choose the least bad this time (this is important), but (this is even more important) don't forget to build better choices for next time. democracy isn't supposed to end at elections. the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and the price of democracy is eternal participation and organizing.