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   Ricki Crush Bandicute Tarr (rickitarr@beige.party)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 04:17:05 JST Ricki Crush Bandicute Tarr

   I truly wish there was a way people could learn their lesson without the rest of us having to go to school.

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     Dan Morris (coldfish@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 04:17:41 JST Dan Morris

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     • Poloniousmonk

     @Uair @RickiTarr what scares me is that the Nazis could have completed the entire genocide of the jews and everyone else they hated and still been seen as a massive success to the rest of the world, except they attacked their neighbors and the world militiaries allied together and destroyed them.

     That's scary, because it won't happen to us. Nobody is coming to save us.

     Look at Israel. They're live on TV blowing up hospitals and apartment buildings and leveling Gaza. Tens of thousands murdered and "some" of the world simply looks at them in condemnation, but there will never be repercussions. After 3-4 generations, the Palestinians will be seen like our Native Americans. Just a few reservations, locked away from society.

     Here in the USA? What will happen to people who are active against the right wing?

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     Poloniousmonk (uair@autistics.life)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 04:17:42 JST Poloniousmonk

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     @RickiTarr @coldfish

     It's a psyche thing. Think of the Southern plutocrats, the slavers in the antebellum days. If they'd simply shut the fuck up about it, the rest of us probably would've let them keep their slaves, at least for a few more generations. But they insisted that we all validate their bullshit worldview that Black people weren't people. And they fucking attacked us over it. Reality only defends.

     You can also say the same thing about WWII. The Nazis just couldn't tolerate the existence of neighbors who don't believe the same hateful bullshit they do.

     I also see the US Civil War and WWII as the same kind of thinking that produces a mass shooter. It's people who chased their denial mechanism all the way to death. Rather than admit they are just full of shit, they lash out and try to take down the world.

     Tangentially related: Christianity, to which both the Nazis and slavers subscribed, is a death cult. Never forget that. Once a death cult conquers its territory, it immediately schisms and attacks itself.

     Robert Link repeated this.
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     Ricki Crush Bandicute Tarr (rickitarr@beige.party)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 04:17:43 JST Ricki Crush Bandicute Tarr

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     @coldfish Believe it or not, I have experienced this a ton (red state, Conservative upbringing), it's bizarre, like it's not enough for them to win, they constantly want your approval too.

     Robert Link repeated this.
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     Dan Morris (coldfish@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 04:17:44 JST Dan Morris

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     @RickiTarr I don't think very many are really mad. They're still having a party. They never get mad until something they forced everyone else to endure happens to them. Only then do they care. And then, it's only that one particular issue. And even then, they'll got through a billion logical contortions to somehow excuse themselves from accountability.

     Robert Link repeated this.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 06:48:07 JST feld

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     • Maria Liv ✏️
     @MariaLiv @RickiTarr
     
     > Soon the Magas might turn on 45, and you all can sit back and watch.
     
     There is precedent for this. The last time Republicans tried to use huge tariffs it backfired badly. Both the House and Senate flipped to Democrat.
     
     "As the economists predicted, the high tariff proved to be a disaster. Even before its enactment, U.S. trading partners began retaliating by raising their tariff rates, which froze international trade. The tariff fight solidified Hoover’s ties with Republican regulars, but it shredded his standing among his party’s progressives. Most of the progressive Republican senators who had campaigned for Hoover in 1928 wound up endorsing Franklin D. Roosevelt for president in the next election. Nor did the tariff sit well with the voters. In 1932 they turned the majority in both houses over to the Democrats, by large margins. The voters also made clear their disdain for the Smoot-Hawley tariff by booting both Reed Smoot and Willis Hawley out of office that year."
     
     
     
     https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Passes_Smoot_Hawley_Tariff.htm
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     Maria Liv ✏️ (marialiv@toot.io)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 06:48:08 JST Maria Liv ✏️

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     @RickiTarr As a European, this is what I think:

     What if the process goes quicker this way? If Kamala had won, the Magas would have just been angry, learning nothing.

     Now they watch the democrats step back, quietly regrouping. Some Magas are seeing their daughters die from the abortion ban they voted for. Some get no Christmas bonus, or are losing their jobs, because of upcoming tariffs. And they can only blame themselves.

     Soon the Magas might turn on 45, and you all can sit back and watch.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 07:28:32 JST feld

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     @MariaLiv @RickiTarr this thread shouldn't continue without this lovely old political cartoon about GOP infighting over tariffs
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 22:54:40 JST feld

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     • Adrian J. Chung
     @ajc418 @RickiTarr @MariaLiv every election the Democrats lose for my entire life people exclaim America is over
     
     And it's the same story for Republicans every time Democrats win.
     
     I'm very tired of it.
     
     America's not done, we just have a new bunch of morons in charge who are going to test the boundaries of what's legal.
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     Adrian J. Chung (ajc418@mastodon.me.uk)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 22:54:42 JST Adrian J. Chung

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     • feld

     @feld @RickiTarr @MariaLiv

     There will need to be free and fair elections for the House and Senate to flip. Trump is unlikely to allow those to take place.