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   The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:21 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

   Still kinda thinking about that RPS GMTK interview a bit (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/how-ten-years-of-game-makers-toolkits-design-analysis-informed-mind-over-magnet) and I’m sort of left with three thoughts:

   1) is this a jam culture thing because obv. I spent years running a game dev forum and none of this would be news to the most amateur amateur in 2000.

   2) from that, is this then what happens when you absolutely nuke any sense of community … all this obvious stuff lost to folks fumbling around on their tod? Two seconds on a game dev forum, if you didn’t know this stuff.

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     The Seven Voyages Of Steve (sinbad@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:08 JST The Seven Voyages Of Steve

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     @Bobbins lack of information permanence is a huge problem, I wish it was on more people’s radars. The trend towards microblogging, chat, video all seems to prioritise the “now” over accreting knowledge over time, so very little of it sticks. It’s like trying to build a library on a conveyor belt where only the last 3 books are easily accessible and everything else has been tossed into a pit which is *technically* still possible to access, but practically not. I miss the forum era so badly

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     The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:11 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

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     I’m deffo not in the school of “kids today, eeeh” when it comes to these things. That would be some hot bullshit. I am in the school of wanting everyone to be able to thrive. That’s more where I come from going off like this.

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     The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:13 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

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     And really, I think the bonus fourth thought is that I really was a lucky bastard, in timing and in finding community because I could then, and I am so grateful to everyone who made up and held together all the things I benefitted from.

     And why whenever I see folks have their little clubs and communities they built themselves, it keeps me from throwing my hands up in the air and shouting fuck this shit and proverbially walking into the sea. It’s not gone, just things are a mess out there.

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     The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:15 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

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     My third thought is “fuck me, you can go ten years not knowing this?” and part of what I’m getting at is that I don’t blame Mark here, okay … entirely blame Mark here … , but it does aggravate me.

     It aggravates me because I want people to be off out making their own wild shit but I also want them to have people to catch them and if that’s not there, that people can go ten years not knowing the importance of these basic ass things, structurally something is awry. You should not go that long!

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     The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:17 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

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     Not that they could stop me being a dick because I totally was, but there was always a “ok, so that’s why I do it this way” from someone with more experience to fall back on. I don’t know how you can retain that given what most people will be walking into when they’re getting started now.

     But I may just be old man shouts at cloud. I dunno. I am just very grateful that I got the best people to know and they continue to be brilliant people today.

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     The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:18 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

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     I don’t think you can reproduce that with a microblogging service, a Reddit or a discord. Much like then having an IRC channel, they’re additive and have their own use but without the permanence, shit gets lost. Experience gets lost. Culture gets lost. Not passed down.

     Honestly, I must have been an intolerable shite so often going off and doing stuff anyway like a know it all nob but *always* had folks to catch me when I fucked up whatever I was trying this time.

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     The Bishop Of Bobbins (bobbins@bobbinsrobots.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:19:20 JST The Bishop Of Bobbins

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     Like, everything in here is a known quantity, right? Playtesting, iterating, planning… to me, this is first principles kind of stuff. But! Part of that is because I immediately got thrown into an environment with people much, much more knowledgeable than me, much more practised than me and crucially, supportive and tolerant of folks knowing nothing and starting from nothing and because no-one has to be business headed, free to fuck around a lot how they like.

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     Jeremiah Fieldhaven (jeremiahfieldhaven@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 23:40:55 JST Jeremiah Fieldhaven

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     • The Seven Voyages Of Steve

     @sinbad @Bobbins Yeah, the loss and dissolution of collective experience over the last 15 years is pretty shocking. I've actually thought to myself a few times, "I should set up a gamedev forum," and I /could/ do it - I've hosted and managed forums before - but at the same time I have bugger-all expectation it'd get used, or ever appear in search results (and be essentially pointless as a result) 😩