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Notes for forbidden Vim/Emacs Gijinka Slashfic
VIM: Straightlaced, alarmingly thin, straight black hair. So serious most people think she has no emotion at all. Dresses in plain black & gray hoodies, but occasionally shows a splash of color. Personality shifts based on context. Writes nothing but Python and inscrutable DSLs she designed herself.
EMACS: Big, brash, curvy. Supremely confident, believes she can— and tries to— do anything and everything. REALLY wants you to try LISP. Control freak
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PLOT THREADS
* Emacs has a long-time association with a problematic older man. No one wants to talk about it.
* Flashback to when vim and emacs were MUCH younger and ran in different social circles. Back then Vim was a sullen goth and went by Ed; Emacs, having a Chunni phase, went by "Teco" and was terrible at communication
* "Evil Mode": It turns out vim and emacs can enter "Evil Mode" where they do a fusion and become a terrifying many-armed Kali/Ashura entity. No one wants to talk about it
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SIDE CHARACTERS
VISUAL STUDIO CODE: Attends "Lesbians Who Tech". Dubious politics. Wears dark pantsuits. The most organized of the bunch, leads all the group projects. Invested in crypto
SUBLIME TEXT: VSCode's mom, craggy gray-haired gardener vibes (she looks older than she is) but friendly eyes. Australian.
VI: A chibi version of Vim, constantly gibbering asemic streams of ADDADADDDA syllables. Everyone ignores her; her presence is never explained.
NOTEPAD++: The token boy
KATE: It's Kate!
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@teajaygrey somebody had an acme in the thread. What's Joe?
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"What about Nano/Pico?"
Stefan Monnier
@AlgoCompSynth @mcc Of course, there's a TECO emulator for Emacs
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@mcc I think I told you my emacs vs. vi story before - it involves a small VAX 11/750 running Ultrix (DEC's version of BSD).
I think TECO is still around but I'm not sure where to find it for Linux.
Stefan Monnier
@mcc Regading Emacs, I'd make her messy/disorganized, always walking around with a big handbag full of half-broken things where she never finds what she needs
Alfred M. Szmidt
@j predates Symbolics Genera, MIT Lisp Machine already did this.
J
@larsbrinkhoff @brouhaha it's fascinating really - I'm reading in some text/source files from Symbolics Genera and they've got a bunch of special control codes that map to logical symbols/semantic operators and [:circle:] and [:triangle:]... it's really fascinating, the diversity of things.
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The TOPS-10 monitor commands "SET TTY TYPE TTY33" or "SET TTY TYPE TTY35" would set various TTY options appropriately for Teletypes, which included "SET TTY ALTMODE" to enable the altmode and escape translation.
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At some point earlier than Monitor being renamed to TOPS-10, altmode was used directly, rather than being translated to 033 octal, because in the 1963 version of ASCII, 033 was a "S3" control. So in the early days, programs like TECO dealt directly with 175 altmode and the old 176 escape.
This was the case for TECO on other early systems as well, though I'm not sure what TECO on the PDP-1 used for the console typewrite4 or add-on Flexowriters, as those weren't ASCII at all.
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Lars Brinkhoff
@brouhaha We still have copies of TECO for the MIT AI lab PDP-6 that uses 175/176 as altmode.
The Stanford AI lab also got started with the old character set and retained 175 as the escape character in their system. 33 was reused as the mathematical symbol ≠.
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@alderson @not2b @tevo @mcc And originally TECO used "altmode" rather than escape. At the time, altmode and escape were octal 175 and 176, from before ASCII gained the lower case and symbols in columns 6 and 7. The models 33 and 35 Teletypes had an altmode key that sent 175, and the TOPS-10 monitor performed translations of 175 and 176 to octal 033 (Escape from the 1965 revision of the ASCII standard).
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Joe
@tevo @mcc I used Teco back in the 70s on a PDP-10 (yes, I am old). You had to type a lot of dollar signs.
Rich Alderson
@not2b @tevo @mcc Well, the ESCape echoes as a dollar sign, but ASCII 44 is not the same as ASCII 33.
(On PDP-10 systems, we think in octal, of course.)
Tevo
@mcc I had picured TECO as an older relative of Emacs, had a long beard and spoke an inscrutable tongue. Nobody ever seemed to have actually /met/ them, but they heard stories. But I guess that works, too.
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