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   Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 05:04:47 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

   I guess it's climate doomerism but like, it really felt like we don't have time for a rollback to "drill baby drill" and I'm not sure how we're going to survive that :\

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 05:06:10 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     "Resist!" I hear you saying, and yeah

     But like, the people calling the shots have a lot of power and this is a case where "destroying infrastructure" isn't gonna get us there I think, we really need "building infrastructure", and I'm nervous that we're losing the last of our last shots to do that on the scale we need to

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 05:07:56 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     I was at a conference and I hanging out with someone who seemed pretty smart and aware of things, but she was like "I'm really shocked by how fast climate change seems to be happening, aren't you?"

     I'm not, because I've been reading the reports of where things are going, and that information is out there and easily available, and all this was known

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     Diane 🕵 (alienghic@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:11:20 JST Diane 🕵

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     @cwebber

     My bleak optimism is:

     The global economy is really fragile and as the weather disasters blow holes in various parts of the world, the ability of the world to rebuild polluting infrastructure will get increasingly compromised.

     So if we're really lucky we'll get enough painful chaotic degrowth to cut emissions.

     And I guess the more we can do to stop buying things from global supply chains the better? More boycotts harder for them to rebuild.

     So I guess have friends doing gardening, cooking, low energy food preservation and crafting?

     Maybe practice camping?

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     Nelson (skyfaller@jawns.club)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:33:57 JST Nelson

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     • Diane 🕵

     @alienghic @cwebber I get what you mean, but I insist that catastrophic collapse and gradual decline, forced upon us by external circumstances or internal failure, do not count as degrowth.

     I think we need to maintain the definition of degrowth as *intentionally* climbing down off the cliff, carefully retreating while protecting the most vulnerable, rather than waiting for all of our shit to be destroyed by mother nature / physics. Otherwise degrowth is a bad word