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   Elia Ayoub (he/him) (ayoub@spore.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 17:49:22 JST Elia Ayoub (he/him)

   The numbers so far speak more to a collapse in trust in the Democrats than it does in a boost in trust in the Republicans. Trump numbers even lower (so far) than last time. 3rd parties didn’t even change much. The Dems just failed by appealing to the right when their opponent was already doing that.

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     Elia Ayoub (he/him) (ayoub@spore.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:38:49 JST Elia Ayoub (he/him)

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     • Gamal Sherif

     @gdsherif you misread my post. I meant the failure was precisely that they appealed to the right when their base was actually to their left.

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     Gamal Sherif (gdsherif@c.im)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:38:50 JST Gamal Sherif

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     @ayoub Then again, you’re right. What has to be said or conveyed to conservatives so that they would vote for a black/brown woman as Prez? But can we not also say that #Harris’ loss was due to #Mysogyny and #racism? Can we conclude that Harris’ run was successful in that it creates more possibilities for what is possible in 2026, even within a culture of #fascism ?

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     Gamal Sherif (gdsherif@c.im)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:38:51 JST Gamal Sherif

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     @ayoub Drumph’s numbers going down by more than 9 million since 2020: noted. Not sure that Dems didn’t appeal enough to the right. #harris’ mention of American military’s “lethal force” as a priority (rather than peace-keeping or de-escalation?); neoliberal calls for “earning” the right to pay for healthcare and retirement; highlighting economic “opportunity” rather than economic justice; and little mention of climate do A LOT to speak to conservatives.

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     Elia Ayoub (he/him) (ayoub@spore.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 05:26:19 JST Elia Ayoub (he/him)

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     • Gamal Sherif

     @gdsherif I think the ‘expected’ progressive policies are actually popular, from student and debt cancellation to universal healthcare and housing and so on.

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     Gamal Sherif (gdsherif@c.im)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 05:26:20 JST Gamal Sherif

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     @ayoub Understood. What do you think an honest, vibrant, and just leftist platform looks like; one that would appeal to a stressed-out middle class that is clinging to its status, or lower-wealth people who are understandably locked in a fight or flight framework and ready to blame “the other?”