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   mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 10:52:27 JST mekka okereke :verified:

   Here. Right here is when it all went wrong.

   https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113296098233486301

   I'll admit I did not know that the effect on Black turnout would be this bad. I knew it was bad, but I significantly underestimated how bad. I didn't pay attention to it. I didn't know that the backslide in support continued.

   Another miscalculation I made: I was pretty sure that the majority of white women would vote for Trump, and that white women's turnout would be high, but I did not anticipate how high. They showed up.

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     John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️ (johnmark@freeradical.zone)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 11:20:27 JST John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️

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     @mekkaokereke Just from looking at the total tally, I noticed that voter turnout seems to be about 8 million less than 2020. Trump will end up with about the same number of total votes, and Harris will have about 8-9 million fewer. It shocked me. You are so right - no one was responding to the message after the initial momentum. She could have won, but she listened to her "seasoned veteran advisors" who told her to dash to the center.

     mekka okereke :verified: repeated this.
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     John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️ (johnmark@freeradical.zone)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 11:20:38 JST John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️

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     @mekkaokereke I'm estimating that there are about 4-5 million votes left to count

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     Douglas Kilpatrick (kilpatds@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 11:21:03 JST Douglas Kilpatrick

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     @mekkaokereke Apologies for the stupid Q, but is there someplace to dive into the crosstabs of turnout? I was looking briefly last night and couldn't find anything useful

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 11:21:37 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @mekkaokereke Quite a few states had abortion as a seperate referendum issue. As soon as that happened they lost any potential white lady secret votes for Harris. I wonder how many of those states had Republican governors? But, really, it was standing for absolutely nothing and pandering to nefarious neocons and people who would never vote for them. You can't keep promising people hope and change then not deliver.

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     John Cutting (jcutting@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 12:01:33 JST John Cutting

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     @mekkaokereke I spent all day yesterday driving Muslim people to the polls. The fact that they didn't know what Kamala would do about Gaza is a problem. The fact that Kamala's platform was to the right of Biden's campaign was a problem. The fact that that administration tried their damnedest to ignore the people who worked their butts off in 2020 to put them there was a problem.

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     Silver Huskey (silver_huskey@fandom.ink)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 12:25:26 JST Silver Huskey

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     @mekkaokereke It's wild because I was listening to my local public radio show that had a post-election discussion. One white woman called in to say she voted against Harris (and not *for* Trump) because her policies were too socialist/radical.

     Does not matter how hard she ran to the center or right, moderates/swing voters were always going to believe she was some radical leftist. Sometimes I feel like Dems should just go for it, if they're going to be painted like that anyway.

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     Bret Mogilefsky (mogul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 14:46:58 JST Bret Mogilefsky

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     @mekkaokereke When you pointed out how significant it would be for Black voters, I watched the Charlemagne Tha God interview live. When she was pressed on the question "what policies do you support that will be particularly beneficial for Black people?" she basically said "legal weed and unregulated cryptocurrency" and even this old white dude was like "ow, that was a huge miss".

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 19:20:29 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • FrauZeitlos

     @FrauZeitlos

     Your fear about what might happen to you, expresses as anger to people who self-sacrificed. So you call them stupid. I don't agree with their act of sitting out, but their act was absolutely not "stupid," ableism aside.

     It was an intentional, conscious act. Nihilistic? Yes. Suicidal? For some, quite literally, yes. But from their position, it was rational.

     This isn't "Jill Stein voting" or privileged folk who won't be impacted. This was self-immolation while hugging their enemy.

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     FrauZeitlos (frauzeitlos@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 19:20:30 JST FrauZeitlos

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     @mekkaokereke from the other side of the sea: If this statement was enough for anybody to give up their vote and basically give support to a criminal, racist dipshit - that's plain stupid. Stupid.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 19:27:12 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @FrauZeitlos

     And their decision wasn't based on "this statement" alone. It was based on *80 years* of waiting for the Dems to make better decisions and fulfill promises, that never happened.

     They'd already given up on Biden. They were giving Harris a second chance. This statement and other actions destroyed their confidence that this time would be any different.

     It's easy for us to see their act as unwise. Harder to see ignoring their needs or attempting to go after swing voters as unwise.

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     kdacar (kdacar@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 21:18:27 JST kdacar

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     @mekkaokereke Thank you for this. Never saw it so clearly articulated. If it's a choice between Nazis or people who invite Nazis along--yeah I see why you might stay home.

     I think this bipartisanship idea is maybe to idealistic or old-school from when more Republicans could be trusted and kept democracy as a top ideal. Now, maybe people see it as just letting the Nazis in.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 01:07:26 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @mekkaokereke I'm sure it suppressed White voter turnout too. Just like putting Bill fucking Clinton on tour did too. And Obama scolding Black men was also very unhelpful.

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     drmorr (drmorr@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 04:58:13 JST drmorr

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     @mekkaokereke I remember when you posted the original toot and being very confused. "Don't we want a functioning two party system? Why would trying to establish a healthy bipartisan system suppress voter turnout?"

     It wasn't until i read the replies and your follow up comments in this thread that i "got it". So thanks for that.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 05:07:23 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • drmorr

     @drmorr

     Yep.

     And the same folks who acknowledge that Dems have a "big tent" with a lot of opposing viewpoints and different priorities, sometimes say that we need a strong GOP, to provide opposing viewpoints in different priorities? 🙂🙃

     No. We don't.

     The Dems are in absolutely no danger of speaking with one one voice, or becoming a monolith. And there are parties to the left of the Democrats.

     The GOP needs a reset to finally rid itself of the racism and transphobia.

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     drmorr (drmorr@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 08-Nov-2024 06:22:37 JST drmorr

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     @mekkaokereke

     > The GOP needs a reset to finally rid itself of the racism and transphobia.

     Dems too, if we're being honest. I am always shocked at the number of times someone in my (white, wealthy) neighborhood professes support for progressives and then in the same breath make the most callously racist remarks about the Black/homeless/incarcerated people in our own communities. Like, can you not even hear yourselves right now???

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     zakatak (zakatak@kzoo.to)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 06:11:14 JST zakatak

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     @mekkaokereke I had a thought this morning about this (evidently your words live rent free in my head, crowded as it may be) and this was such a betrayal by Harris.

     So many people feel abused by republicans. Harris championed herself as someone who protects the abused, but then she promised everyone that the abusers perspectives were important and necessary to her administration. As though two parents were more important than a singular healthy parent.