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   silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 03:37:17 JST silverwizard
   I think a lesson of the AI bubble is that people don't like trading privacy for convenience. I don't think they ever had. The goal is the tech company is the hide the privacy invasion and maximize the convenience to hit critical mass.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 06:22:14 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite So - I agree that AI sucks - but I think a lot of the actual rejection comes down to the invasiveness. People don't want Recall or other tools. They don't want a company to train on all their data.
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 06:22:15 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard I'm not sure about that. I feel like the general problem with AI is more that the promised convenience is disappointing rather than the privacy trade-off. Connected objects offer a tangible convenience (controlling apppliances from your phone) with a similar privacy trade-off and they don't get nearly as much hate as AI-powered anything.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 08:27:54 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite so I have been reading external-to-me AI criticism, and one of the interesting features is that a lot of people feel blown away by AI and its capabilities. I think that people outside of ourselves feel like it's actually pretty valuable. One of my biggest problem with non-tech AI commentary is people saying "this is useful, but the data is bad" or "this is good but not for me". But that's also my read of people outside my bubble.
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 08:27:55 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard Oh I know I and the people I surrounded myself with don't want this privacy invasion. Beyond that, it becomes unclear to me that it would be the main factor of rejection. My main guess is there is a general disconnect between the data harvesting for AI purposes and the AI tools themselves. Meaning that people may be receptive to the AI tools and at the same time reject high-profile cases of data harvesting like the Reddit debacle, Twitter's change of terms of service, Recall, etc...

     This would also mean that the general contempt for the latest AI-everywhere products wouldn't be based on the underlying data harvesting, but rather because they are disappointing products by themselves, regardless of their externalities you and I strongly care about.

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 08:49:36 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite a fascinating thing is that AI loses money, and announcing an AI product drops profits but raises value, and so, it's very strange
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 08:49:37 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard I must admit that I haven't read much AI criticism that I don't also share myself. The working theory I outlined earlier is based on a single poll that showed 40% of the responders were considering AI features at least somewhat negatively in new products.

     When I learned about the poll, it went against my preconceived notion that the general public was more receptive to AI features, which would have partially explained the rush to implement it into anything and everything.

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 10:23:35 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard It wouldn't be the first buzzword disconnected from user wants, but I have been feeling pretty isolated railing against both the low inherent quality of LLM chatbots output and their massive externalities.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 10:23:45 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite My dad does love telling me how much he loves AI
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 10:41:39 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard I'm so sorry about that. We've never talked about it within my family, but I'm pretty sure my parents would either steer clear or only use it for some niche innocuous task.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 10:42:05 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite My father is a tech VC, so the exact target market of that stuff
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 11:13:13 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard Right, I keep forgetting because of the cognitive dissonance between the both of you.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 11:15:39 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite My father: Lives for tech hype
     Me: a tech raccoon

     My father: staunch conservative
     me: anarchist with a chip on his shoulder

     otherwise we're exactly the same

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:49:38 JST hypolite

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     @silverwizard This "otherwise" is load bearing.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 12:49:49 JST silverwizard

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     @hypolite Welcome to my entire childhood and adulthood. The load bearing otherwise