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   Clive Thompson (clive@saturation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 02:34:14 JST Clive Thompson

   • Cory Doctorow

   Here, @pluralistic neatly distills the real problem with Bluesky ...

   ... which is that, because they don't offer a way to quickly leave *and take all your followers with you*, as Mastodon does ...

   ... it risks becoming a trap. You spend months, years, building up connections to tons of cool people and then Bluesky enshittifies, not because of any individual terrible decision, but because of a ton of small forced-hand ones

   The essay: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast

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     Clive Thompson (clive@saturation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 02:49:47 JST Clive Thompson

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     • Cory Doctorow

     For folks still on Twitter -- or who are trying to reconstitute their networks on Bluesky or Threads -- probably/possibly the most persuasive part of @pluralistic's argument ...

     ... is that these non-portable/can't-leave-with-your-followers services are just a huge *risk* to use

     How many hours, days, years will you sink into finding and cultivating a collection of awesome people?

     That's time your risk uttetrly *wasting* if you can't leave

     how much time do we have to *waste*?

     Cory Doctorow repeated this.
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     Thad (thad@brontosin.space)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 03:07:37 JST Thad

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     • Cory Doctorow

     @clive Yeah, I'm of much the same mind as Doctorow. I like a lot of what Bluesky's doing, but until you can actually choose from multiple instances it's just one more silo, one more single point of failure. @pluralistic

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     –modo ⚛️ 🧬 🇪🇺 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 (enmodo@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 04:23:32 JST –modo ⚛️ 🧬 🇪🇺 🇨🇦 🇺🇦

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     • Cory Doctorow

     @clive
     Except is that really true? My understanding is you can now create an independent Bsky instance and you can migrate between them taking your followers with you and unlike ActivityPub all your posts go with you too.

     The risk is that kind of like Threads muscling in on ActivityPub, the 2,000 pound gorilla in the room with all the user base and money tends to dominate the conversation when it comes to protocol evolution and defacto standards.
     @pluralistic

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     Cory Doctorow (pluralistic@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 04:23:32 JST Cory Doctorow

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     • –modo ⚛️ 🧬 🇪🇺 🇨🇦 🇺🇦

     @enmodo @clive https://anderegg.ca/2024/11/15/maybe-bluesky-has-won