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   cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 19:46:28 JST cjd
   This is kind of wild.
   VW is already closing down plants,
   Because of the tariff that hasn't happened yet,
   By the president who hasn't been elected yet.
   
   Everyone is basically just considering it as already done.
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 19:46:26 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @cjd pretty incredible. VW is owned 10% by the german state and 10% by Qatar, too.
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     Râu Cao ⚡ (raucao@kosmos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 20:35:15 JST Râu Cao ⚡

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     @lain @cjd It's not just U.S. tariffs, but also the EU having to compromise with China on EV tariffs eventually. Not even speaking of the insane electricity costs due to the Nordstream "situation" and the nuclear plant shutdowns.

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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 20:35:54 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • Râu Cao ⚡
     @raucao @cjd it's getting harder every day to see a way out of this. how could they ruin germany this hard?
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     Robert von Oliva (naruciakk@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 21:26:43 JST Robert von Oliva

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @cjd This could be an issue, but with 10% of ownership… do they really have so much power to screw things up based just on the ownership rights? I don't think so really, they might be at fault, but for a different reason
     
     BTW, IG Metall still demanding 7% pay increase is so hilarious
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 21:28:18 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • Robert von Oliva
     @naruciakk @cjd i think people in germany really just think that it is 'a rich country', somehow by default, and will always stay that way.
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     Robert von Oliva (naruciakk@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 21:41:24 JST Robert von Oliva

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @cjd I don't think just people in Germany think that way, it's that idea that Europe will always be able to afford all of the welfare it provides. ASML, Carl Zeiss and old manufacturers alone won't be able to pay for that, people and companies need to innovate and build new wealth constantly, and you need a highly competitive and unrestricted market to achieve that, simply because the world markets are highly competitive and unrestricted.
     
     I think Sweden might be a good example that you can afford a welfare state (not that you should really, because of other issues related, not just the fact that it is effectively based on a extensive theft in a form of high taxation, although for the last 20 years mostly on the regular-income individuals and consumers (high VAT), not “the rich”, which is interesting considering some less than perfect ideas of the far left in US or other parts of Europe) iff you have a well-functioning, liberalized, highly capitalistic economy and open markets.
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     Râu Cao ⚡ (raucao@kosmos.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 00:15:09 JST Râu Cao ⚡

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     @lain @cjd Since they're refusing to acknowledge that there even is a problem in the first place, there is no way out. You cannot fix something without first agreeing that it's broken. Unfortunately, people can't eat good intentions, or run industrial production on solar and wind energy.

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